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Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by arcanemachiner »

Aldipower wrote: post #145

Just an anecdote from yesterday. I got an old Pentium 4 1,5Ghz from a friend, put a Terratec EWX 24/96 soundcard in, installed WinXP, turned automatic updates off and installed a software synth, Native Instruments FM7, connected a midi keyboard via the gameport. Literally 2ms latency and no midi jitter! With an 25 years old setup! And it just works, without any distractions. Really, I almost cried as I saw that. I fe…

I had a similar experience when helping a friend's parent with an absolutely ancient laptop from like 2007, which which had a crappy Celeron, 256 MB of RAM, and Widnoes Vista.

The damn thing was shockingly performant. We have been played for absolute fools.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by netsharc »

kyboren wrote: post #162
ncpa-cpl wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And Calc! It takes about 5 seconds to load. And search is so unreliable mixing web and local results.

I've been pretty much exclusively Linux-based for over a decade now, but I used every version of Windows from 3.11 to Windows 7, so I still have some muscle memory from the good ol' days. Recently I was helping a relative do something on their Windows 11 machine and I asked them to press Windows key + R, type calc, press Enter. And I was astonished at the result. Literally: Mouth agape, frozen in astonishment for abo…

What does happen? I'm using Windows 10 Enterprise (is that GitHub repo to activate any license still around?) , with policy to disable Internet search from the start menu... so your story makes me wonder what the astonishment is.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by Rohansi »

spikej wrote: post #36
epolanski wrote: post #29

I liked the path windows was going in late 2010s. WSL, power toys, many great utils, great performance. But it has since then stalled and got increasingly worse. Especially with this AI shoving everywhere, not even mentioning getting ads at some point in notifications and start menu. I'm not particularly in love with MacOS either (but have no realistic alternative on my MacBooks). I'm more and more inclined of switch…

Even without the AI, it's replacing native apps with web based ones. Case in point: Notepad. It's slower than WordPad on Win 10... and crashes!

But Notepad is not web based? It's still a native app but now uses UWP instead.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by conradfr »

lysace wrote: post #113
pbohun wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sounds weird to say, but Steve Ballmer was probably the best CEO of Microsoft.

Feb 2014: Satya Nadella becomes CEO. July 2014: Microsoft lays off 14k people, a large portion of which are SDET (Software Development Engineer in Test)/QA/test people. The idea was that regular developers themselves would be writing and owning tests rather than relying on separate testers. I'm sure there were multiple instances of insane empire building and lots of unproductivity, but it's also hard to not think thi…

Does Satya Nadella even use a windows laptop?

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by ipdashc »

PlanksVariable wrote: post #146
api wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason for this is that it's hard to hire native UI developers, but easy to hire web devs. Something like 90% of all new devs today learn only cloud-native backend dev or web frontend dev. The only exceptions tends to be mobile and game developers. Collectively cloud+web, mobile, and games account for like 98% of all new devs it seems. Nobody learns anything else. The web is going to become the desktop UI in the…

Why can’t Microsoft employees learn on the job? When I joined a (non-Microsoft) BigTech company, I was expected to learn C++ and internal libraries and tools within a couple months while working on newbie projects. The company recouped that investment many times over.

My thoughts as well. And it's not like we're talking about taking random people off the street and teaching them to program, it's just a UI framework. And the stuff people are talking about in here isn't IDEs or CAD suites, it's like... the calculator app and the start menu. What kind of devs is MSFT hiring and paying $200k a year that can't learn a UI framework?

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by arcanemachiner »

golden-face wrote: post #153
dataflow wrote: post #73

Windows 11 is fast enough if you... disable a million things on it that >99% of users wouldn't know when/how to, or wouldn't want to. Definitely depressing.

Can you expand on this? For example details on any tools to do this. I've been trying to disable features I know use resources and aren't needed but the native UIs to do it are hella confusing and feel purposely useless.

Google "windows 11 debloat reddit". There are several tools:

- https://github.com/Raphire/Win11Debloat (recommended elsewhere in this thread)

- https://christitus.com/windows-tool/ (I used this one a couple weeks ago, seems to work well)

But seriously though, learn to fish. The answers aren't hard to find if you look, know what to search for, and are at least somewhat discriminating in your investigation.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by skrebbel »

Flux159 wrote: post #15

"What Andy giveth, Bill taketh away" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_and_Bill%27s_law On a more serious note, I really only use Windows for games & I'm still always frustrated with how many updates (& restarts during updates) Windows needs. My fans are always constantly spinning on Windows too (laptop or desktop) whereas my Mac & Linux machines are generally silent outside of heavy load.

This is common for any self-updating software that you use infrequently.

A friend of mine complained that he hated how Firefox "always" wants to restart with an update. I couldn't understand what he was on about. Turned out I use Firefox daily and he uses it like once every 2 months to test something and yeah, Firefox has an update out every 2 months or so, so that fits.

It's the same with Windows (and, I assume, macOS). Use Windows more and the updater will disappear out of sight.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by da_grift_shift »

Rohansi wrote: post #193
spikej wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even without the AI, it's replacing native apps with web based ones. Case in point: Notepad. It's slower than WordPad on Win 10... and crashes!

But Notepad is not web based? It's still a native app but now uses UWP instead.

UWP, one of the 10+ frameworks used to run Windows 11's system components. Wonderful! Exemplary!

https://old.reddit.com/r/Windows11/comments/o2a0kp/there_are...

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by 0cf8612b2e1e »

HPsquared wrote: post #175
ada0000 wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft has the resources to train people.

But does any junior want to learn C++ Win32? You want to learn something that leads to a long-term career development path, not a sunsetting technology.

For money, anything is possible. That’s the employment contract, trade money for time doing things you would rather not.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by ipdashc »

kyboren wrote: post #162
ncpa-cpl wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And Calc! It takes about 5 seconds to load. And search is so unreliable mixing web and local results.

I've been pretty much exclusively Linux-based for over a decade now, but I used every version of Windows from 3.11 to Windows 7, so I still have some muscle memory from the good ol' days. Recently I was helping a relative do something on their Windows 11 machine and I asked them to press Windows key + R, type calc, press Enter. And I was astonished at the result. Literally: Mouth agape, frozen in astonishment for abo…

Bit of a clickbaity way of phrasing it, but I'm also curious what the result was? From googling it I don't see any stories about recent changes to the calculator app, other than a few features like graphing.
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