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Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux

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Re: Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux

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Thanks for responding. Orion on iOS with extensions has been outstanding.. looking forward to linux version.

Which extensions do you use? I was never able to get them to work. d reddit redirect, for example, never once redirected a reddit link to old reddit.

The big one being ublock origin

Re: Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux

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post #175

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Thanks for responding. Orion on iOS with extensions has been outstanding.. looking forward to linux version.

Which extensions do you use? I was never able to get them to work. d reddit redirect, for example, never once redirected a reddit link to old reddit.

I've found a few that work but many can be buggy or non-functional, just depends on the extension. The only one I use currently is called "Control Panel for Twitter", which seems to work pretty well.

Re: Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux

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We like Linux adoption around these parts. But don't we like it because linux doesn't let companies mistreat it's users? If users are unwilling to opt out of that abuse then I think its OK that their migration to Linux remains mildly inconvenient.

DRM sucks, but the time to thrash against it is has passed. It's here, it's not going away, and users expect to be able to use their browsers to watch protected content.

I like what Firefox does: it allows me to just disallow Widevine entirely, which is what I do. That still allows others who want to use those things to do so. It's the best of both worlds.

Re: Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux

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post #175

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Which extensions do you use? I was never able to get them to work. d reddit redirect, for example, never once redirected a reddit link to old reddit.

The big one being ublock origin

My experience is that one doesn't actually work, though the built-in ad-blocking does work quite well.

Re: Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux

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post #175

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Which extensions do you use? I was never able to get them to work. d reddit redirect, for example, never once redirected a reddit link to old reddit.

The big one being ublock origin

Doesn't actually work: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46555554

Re: Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux

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Especially because WebKit’s lineage goes all the way back to KHTML. It’s nice to see KHTML come home to Linux but it does need to be open source.

Come home? It never left it. Konqueror, the software where it all started, still is a core KDE app. WebKitGTK, arguably the most portable WebKit distribution and what Orion itself uses, has always been Linux-first.

I can’t speak to whatever konqueror uses these days but webkitgtk is notoriously behind and difficult to work with. You can read posts from the Tauri devs questioning their entire approach on Linux due to it.

I really hope Kagi contributes back upstream to improve the situation, it’s needed.

Edit: looks like konqueror uses qt web engine which is chromium. The irony of the KDE browser abandoning WebKit while the GNOME browser still tries to use it is too much.

Re: Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux

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post #185

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Not too much speculation needed as to why: data collection which is then used to enhance both their Search and Assistant products + they can easily start pushing their search and assistant through the platform once adoption is high enough and people who are used to Orion will more easily be convinced to just fork up a little money for continued or slightly improved features/access

It's more likely it has to do with all the work they're doing to getting the WebExtension API to work with WebKit which is a main selling feature for the MacOS version - using firefox and chrome extensions in a webkit-powered browser.

And esp for the iOS version, where there are not many options for using extensions in other browsers. The only browser there that can use UBO, afaik. In MacOS it is a bit too buggy for me for daily use, ymmv.

Re: Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux

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Just curious, but is this really a big deal? As a customer, you already trust Kagi enough to feed them your entire search history, so I guess you don't think they're bad actors. Thus, why you find problematic the (momentary?) "unopeness" of the browser? I'd gladly try it (I'm on Arch), even just out of curiosity (unlikely to make it my main, though). Jeez, downvoted for asking about context? People, calm down.

> you already trust Kagi enough to feed them your entire search history Not necessarily, Kagi provides a feature[1] that anonymizes all your searches. I set it up and haven't thought about it since. 1. https://help.kagi.com/kagi/privacy/privacy-pass.html

They give you a key and only if you have a higher tier account. The act of doing that requires that there is a step in the process where they know you’re requesting a key and who you are. They could bind them in the backend if they wanted, before giving it to you.

You’re still trusting them. Not to mention they could round them all up by IP or browser fingerprinting.

There is still some level of trust.

I happen to trust them enough for that; but it is still trust.

Re: Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux

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post #158

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I find it strange because it seems to me that outside of their bread and butter products (Kagi Search, Assistant), there really isn't a business secret or proprietary technology to keep secret no? Perhaps integrated browser LLM tooling they don't want to give out for free.

Not too much speculation needed as to why: data collection which is then used to enhance both their Search and Assistant products + they can easily start pushing their search and assistant through the platform once adoption is high enough and people who are used to Orion will more easily be convinced to just fork up a little money for continued or slightly improved features/access

Orion does not collect telemetry data [0].

[0] https://orionbrowser.com/privacy

Re: Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux

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This is a healthy thing to happen to the Linux browser ecosystem imho. We talk a lot about browser diversity, but on Linux and Windows, it is a lie. You have firefox (gecko) and fifty flavors of chromium. Webkit on Linux has essentially been relegated to embedded devices or the GNOME epiphany browser, which I'll admit while is a noble effort, lags a bit in the stability and power-user features department. Big reason…

And Ladybird.
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