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Re: ChatGPT Health

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Post by jskrn »

mlmonkey wrote: post #156

My uncle had an issue with his balance and slurred speech. Doctors claimed dementia and sent him home. It kept becoming worse and worse. Then one day I entered the symptoms in ChatGPT (or was it Gemini?) and asked it for the top 3 hypotheses. The first one was related to dementia. The second was something else (I forget the long name). I took all 3 to his primary care doc who had kept ignoring the problem, and asked…

Glad to hear your uncle improved! Would you mind sharing the other two hypotheses and what the diagnosis ultimately was?

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Post by etrautmann »

fnoef wrote: post #65

I’m kind of torn on this. From one side, I can’t seem to trust doctors any more. I recently had a tooth removed (by the advice of two different doctors), in a claim that it will resolve my pain, which it did not, and now 3 different doctors don’t know what’s causing my pain. Most doctor advice boil down to drink some water and take a painkiller, while glancing for 15 seconds at my medical history before they dedicate…

I am not a doctor but this could be a neuropathy. Try talking to a neurologist, and possibly try cutting all caffeine.

Re: ChatGPT Health

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Post by bawana »

browningstreet wrote: post #178
timeon wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> if I wasn't asking ChatGPT, where would I go to get help? Is this serious question? Can't you call/visit doctor?

I vibe coded an app and recorded all the things happening to my 50-something body. I shared that list with a few MDs -- they were useless. They literally can't handle anything except acute cases. It's like telling someone to ask their doctor about nutrition. It's not in their scope any longer. They'll tell you to try things and figure it out. The US medical industry abdicated their thing a long time ago. Doctors do s…

Medical training is designed to produce operators who will add value to corporate health systems - prescribe pills, do procedures, or anything that can generate 'billable hours'. Actually educating patients to be healthy will only reduce corporate health system profits. Why do you think we have been fighting the 'war on cancer' since the 60s? Now 'personalized medicine' and synthetic peptide and complex immunotherapies are the latest twist with costs into 5 figures (orders of magnitude greater than standard therapies)and efficacy only better by a factor of 2 at best. Many treatments promise improved 'partial response rate' increases from 10 % to 50% yet a partial response is not a significant improvement.

AI is a disaster waiting to happen. As it is simply a regurgitation of what has been already said by real scientists, researchers,and physicians, it will be the 'entry drug' to advertise expensive therapies.

Thank goodness our corporations have not stooped to providing healthcare in exchange for blood donation, skin donation, or other organ donation. But I can imagine United HEalthcare merging with Blackstone so that people who need healthcare can get 'health care loans'.

Re: ChatGPT Health

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Post by mrj »

cyberpunk wrote: post #90
midldei wrote: post #79

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But this is a 'cart before the horse' situation. What evidence do you have that providing your health information to this company will help you or anyone (other than those with financial interest in the company)? There is a very real, near definite, chance that giving your, and others', health data to this company will hurt you and others. Will you still hold this, "I personally don’t care who has access to my health…

I’m definitely a privacy fist person, but can you explain how health data could hurt you, besides obvious things like being discriminated against for insurance if you have a drug habit or whatever. Like, i’m a fitness conscious 30 something white male, what risk is there of my appendix operation being common knowledge or that i need more iron or something?

Well maybe your health data picks up a heart condition you didn't know about.

Maybe you don't know but your car insurance drops you due to the risk you'll have a cardiac event while driving. Their AI flagged you.

You need a new job but the same AI powers the HR screening and denies you because you'll cost more and might have health problems. You'd never know why.

You try to take out a second on the house to pay for expenses, just to get back on your feet, but the AI-powered risk officer judges your payback potential to be %.001 underneath the target and are denied.

The previously treatable heart condition is now dire due to the additional stress of no job, no car and no house and the financial situation continues to erode.

You apply for assistance but are denied because the heart condition is treatable and you're then obviously capable of working and don't meet the standard.

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Post by CuriouslyC »

_qua wrote: post #101
fnoef wrote: post #65

I’m kind of torn on this. From one side, I can’t seem to trust doctors any more. I recently had a tooth removed (by the advice of two different doctors), in a claim that it will resolve my pain, which it did not, and now 3 different doctors don’t know what’s causing my pain. Most doctor advice boil down to drink some water and take a painkiller, while glancing for 15 seconds at my medical history before they dedicate…

> Most doctor advice boil down to drink some water and take a painkiller Forgive my brusqueness here, but this could only be written by someone who has not yet been seriously ill.

Doctors that treat shit that you can treat on the spot and it gets better or it doesn't tend to be really good. Surgeons in particular. Doctors that treat shit that don't have clear causes and that you give medicine to, and sometimes it kinda improves, they tend to be pretty bad.

This is both a liability and a connectedness issue.

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Post by hermanzegerman »

cyral wrote: post #170
hermanzegerman wrote: post #158

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> if I wasn't asking ChatGPT, where would I go to get help? To an MD?

Getting a potential answer right away is certainly temping over waiting weeks to get an appointment

You have to wait weeks to be seen by a family doctor?

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Post by hermanzegerman »

silotis wrote: post #173
hermanzegerman wrote: post #158

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> if I wasn't asking ChatGPT, where would I go to get help? To an MD?

Unless you're paying for a concierge doctor, MDs frequently will not spend the time to give you useful advice. Especially for relatively minor issues.

I've googled what a "concierge doctor" is, and it just sounds like a fancy term for a family doctor.

Re: ChatGPT Health

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Post by TeMPOraL »

zeryx wrote: post #172
timeon wrote: post #117

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> if I wasn't asking ChatGPT, where would I go to get help? Is this serious question? Can't you call/visit doctor?

Actual access to reliable healthcare is a massive assumption to make, not everyone has incredible health insurance or lives in a country with sufficient doctors/med staff. Most places are in crisis for lack of resources, I'd rather ask chatgpt or Gemini for something urgent rather than wait 5+ hours in ER for the doctor to say "just take some aspirin and go to a walk-in tomorrow"

Not to mention, going to an ER for something that doesn't turn out to be an emergency carries a high risk of coming back home with something significantly worse.

Last time I was in ER, I accompanied my wife; we got bounced due to lack of appropriate doctor on site, she ended up getting help in another hospital, and I came back home with severe case of COVID-19.

Related: every pediatrician I've been to with my kids during the flu season says the same thing: if you can't get an appointment in a local clinic, stay home; avoid hospitals unless the kid develops life-threatening symptoms, as visiting such places carry high risk of the kid catching something even worse (usually RSV).

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Post by tootie »

browningstreet wrote: post #178
timeon wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> if I wasn't asking ChatGPT, where would I go to get help? Is this serious question? Can't you call/visit doctor?

I vibe coded an app and recorded all the things happening to my 50-something body. I shared that list with a few MDs -- they were useless. They literally can't handle anything except acute cases. It's like telling someone to ask their doctor about nutrition. It's not in their scope any longer. They'll tell you to try things and figure it out. The US medical industry abdicated their thing a long time ago. Doctors do s…

I babbled some symptoms I did not understand to a doctor who correctly diagnosed me with a very rare condition in 30 seconds. And that's after spending weeks prodding LLMs (~2 years ago) and getting nowhere.

Re: ChatGPT Health

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Post by mhitza »

fnoef wrote: post #65

I’m kind of torn on this. From one side, I can’t seem to trust doctors any more. I recently had a tooth removed (by the advice of two different doctors), in a claim that it will resolve my pain, which it did not, and now 3 different doctors don’t know what’s causing my pain. Most doctor advice boil down to drink some water and take a painkiller, while glancing for 15 seconds at my medical history before they dedicate…

A bit invasive and scary to suggest, but I'd push them to rule out any form of cancer. A family member of mine went through a similar ordeal where he went through the removal of multiple teeth, due to continuous pain, and only at a later time with much back and forward between doctors, they went ahead with extensive tests and found he had mandibular cancer.
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