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There were BGP anomalies during the Venezuela blackout

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Re: There were BGP anomalies during the Venezuela blackout

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Post by justsomehnguy »

monocasa wrote: post #126
_boffin_ wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a few questions about that: 1. Did Ukraine control the nukes, or did Russia? 2. Could Ukraine keep them working on its own? 3. If nukes stop invasions, why do nuclear countries still get attacked?

1) It's complex. Formally, Moscow controlled the launch codes. However Ukraine designed and built the ICBMs, and are near the top of nations with the highest nuclear physicist per capita ratio. On top of that the Soviet nuclear lockout systems are rumored to be much simpler than the American ones. Whereas the American system is rumored to be something like the decryption key for the detonation timings (without which…

> However Ukraine designed and built the ICBMs

Your computer is designed and built in China therefore your computer belongs to Chinese and China. Right?

> See above

Maybe you should see how good the Ukraine was at keeping their naval assets after they used the totally legal methods to obtain them. Maybe then you would have a clue on how good they could had maintained them.

Re: There were BGP anomalies during the Venezuela blackout

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Post by TZubiri »

catigula wrote: post #11

Cyber-warfare capabilities on this level seem pretty horrific. What if you could simply turn off the power grid of Kyiv or Moscow in anticipation of a strike? That seems extremely disorientating. What if you could simply turn off the power grid indefinitely?

I don't think calling shutting down the internet horrific is appropriate at all in the context of bombings.

Re: There were BGP anomalies during the Venezuela blackout

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Post by throw-the-towel »

anonymous908213 wrote: post #168
jojobas wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maduro was protected by both China and Russia.

Maduro may have been aligned with them, but that is a completely different thing than being protected by them. The DPRK is actually protected by the PRC, in the sense that the PRC is willing to and historically did deploy millions of soldiers to push back Americans from North Korean territory.

But note that happened in rhe 1950s, when Mao was in power and the PRC was an upstart separatist regime with very limited recognition. Now China may want to act very differently.

Re: There were BGP anomalies during the Venezuela blackout

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Post by hollerith »

throw-the-towel wrote: post #193
anonymous908213 wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maduro may have been aligned with them, but that is a completely different thing than being protected by them. The DPRK is actually protected by the PRC, in the sense that the PRC is willing to and historically did deploy millions of soldiers to push back Americans from North Korean territory.

But note that happened in rhe 1950s, when Mao was in power and the PRC was an upstart separatist regime with very limited recognition. Now China may want to act very differently.

The reason Mao helped Pyongyang still applies: namely, it would make China less secure to have on its border a regime allied to a great power other than China.

Re: There were BGP anomalies during the Venezuela blackout

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Post by blell »

pamcake wrote: post #141
refulgentis wrote: post #21

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IMHO the rest of the world isn't asleep. Denmark's prime minister said the same as you, for example. US just got roasted at UN by inter alia, France, with ~20 countries either speaking the same or asking to speak on it. That's just from 30s with front page of nytimes.com.

In EU, so far I believe only the PM of Spain had the backbone to speak properly with anything that could be considered "strongly worded", proving that it's possible. The others have been variants of "Celebrating liberation of the Venezuelan people from the illegitimate dictator, a new dawn for democracy! (oh and everyone (not naming names) please behave and try to be mindful of international law and human rights from…

This has happened because the party that rules Spain has ties to the dictatorship.

This goes so far that one of the ministers of the government met in Spain with Delcy Rodriguez, bringing her a few briefcases of something that hasn't been explained yet, despite her being subject to a travel ban in the EU.

Of course this is a progressive government so the EU said absolutely nothing about it.

Re: There were BGP anomalies during the Venezuela blackout

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Post by esseph »

delichon wrote: post #28

I assume that nuclear capability would rule out a target from this kind of snatch operation, and that this event will add pressure to proliferate.

You still have to be willing to use the nukes. The threat has to be real or it doesn't work as a deterrent.

I think this is a situation where even if Venezuela had nukes, this still would have happened.

Re: There were BGP anomalies during the Venezuela blackout

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Post by trhway »

delichon wrote: post #28

I assume that nuclear capability would rule out a target from this kind of snatch operation, and that this event will add pressure to proliferate.

the popular conspiracy theory among Russian opposition is that Maduro exit was negotiated, so he will do small time at a Fed club and would preserve significant amount of his money (at least couple hundreds of millions), and after completing the time will end up with his money in Russia/Belarussia.

We can see that nobody was going to resist the operation in Venezuela, so it doesn't really matter that Venezuela doesn't have nukes. Using nukes isn't just a matter of pressing a button, it involves a lot of people and processes - thus any significant opposition inside the force or just widespread sabotage will make it unusable.

Re: There were BGP anomalies during the Venezuela blackout

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Post by yakbarber »

themafia wrote: post #184
mandevil wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US built a lot of bunkers like this back in the 1950's. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Weather_Emergency_Operat... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raven_Rock_Mountain_Complex https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Greek_Island https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheyenne_Mountain_Complex With the rise of solid fuel ICBM and then MIRV leading to the truly massive number of warheads pointed at the US, the US switched t…

Watching a civilized nation drop a nuclear bomb on an enemy really got into peoples heads. What's worse is.. it worked.

there's a fair argument to make that a nation that drops a nuclear bomb on a city isn't "civilized"

Re: There were BGP anomalies during the Venezuela blackout

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Post by kennyloginz »

gradus_ad wrote: post #72
delichon wrote: post #28

I assume that nuclear capability would rule out a target from this kind of snatch operation, and that this event will add pressure to proliferate.

That's like arguing against the police arresting criminals because it will incentivize them to acquire weapons. The only consistent action for the US to take, given they - and much of the world - do not consider Maduro the legitimate President of Venezuela, was to remove him from power.

And replace him with the just as illegitimate VP? What world is that consistent in?
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