If somewm[1] continues to develop, why not? Otherwise I will not be sacrificing my decade-old work style with awesomewm.
Can I start using Wayland in 2026?
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Re: Can I start using Wayland in 2026?
#192Earlier quoted context omitted.
I used to be like this. I actually ran a 14" FHD laptop with a 24" 4k monitor, both at 100%. Using i3 and not caring about most interface chrome was great, it was enough for me to zoom the text on the 4k one. But then we got 27" 5k screens at work, and that had me move to wayland since 100% on that was ridiculously small.
Why not 200% and increase font size slightly in all 3 cases?
Why to have a home if you can sleep in a cardboard box?
Re: Can I start using Wayland in 2026?
#193Note to people on this thread: the impression the discussions give is that Linux isn't ready for prime time desktop use. I thought Wayland was the latest and greatest, but folks here report issues and even refuse to ever use it. Windows and Mac Os, for all their faults, are unquestionably ready to use in 2026. If you are a Linux on desktop advocate, read the comments and see why so many are still hesitating.
As a long-time Linux user I've also felt an incongruity between my own experiences with Wayland and the recent rush of "year of the Linux desktop" posts. To be fair, I think the motivation is at least as much about modern Windows' unsuitability for prime time rather as Linux's suitability. I haven't used Windows for a long time so I can't say how fair that is, but I definitely see people questioning 2026 Windows' rea…
>I just had the dispiriting thought that it's about twenty years since I first used Ubuntu. At that point it all seemed tantalizingly close to being "ready for primetime".
I feel the same and find it a bit strange. I am happy with hyprland on wayland since a few months back but somehow it reminds me of running enlightenment or afterstep in the 90s. My younger self would have expected at least a decade of "this is how the UI works in Linux and it's great" by now.
Docker and node both got started after wayland and they are mature enterprise staples. What makes wayland such a tricky problem?
Re: Can I start using Wayland in 2026?
#194Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Life is too short for nvidia bullshit on Linux. So much NVidia hate, but in 23 years the only problems I've had with NVidia on Linux were when they dropped support for old GPUs. Even on proprietary hardware like iMacs and MacBooks. But to each their own.
Even when it worked, it was more clunky than AMD at all times. It came in form of a huge driver bundle you had to install manually (or rely on a distro to do it for you), while AMD GPUs just worked due to `amdgpu` being part of the kernel since forever. Then is the EGLStreams debacle where nvidia lost a lot of goodwill in my opinion, including mine. And finally, nvidia has managed to opensource their driver on Linux…
AMD used to be terrible on Linux, perhaps before your time. Nvidia was always the choice if you needed functional hardware acceleration that worked on par with windows. The nvidia driver was/still is? the same driver accross platforms with a compatibility shim for each OS. This is how Nvidia managed to have best in class 3D acceleration accross Windows, FreeBSD, and Linux for decades now. OpenGL support historically on AMD was really bad, and AMD support was through a propriety driver back the day as well. Part of the reason the AMD/ATI opensource driver gained so much traction and support was that the propritery driver was so bad! Then you get onto other support for things like CUDA for professional work which Nvidia has always been light years ahead of any other card manufacturer.
Source: Was burned many times by ATI's promises to deliver functioning software over the years. Been using Nvidia on Linux and Freebsd for as long as can recall now.
Re: Can I start using Wayland in 2026?
#1952026 is starting with half-baked NVidia drivers and missing functionality on linux? I am so surprised... did you try 17 different previous versions to get it running in true NV-Linux fashion? This stuff has been flawless on AMD systems for a while a couple of years now, with the exception of the occasional archaic app that only runs on X11 (thus shoved in a container).
Flawless on AMD? Absolutely not. 2-3 years ago there used to be a amdgpu bug that froze my entire laptop randomly with no recourse beyond the 4 second power button press. After that was fixed, it sometimes got stuck on shutdown. Now it doesn't do that randomly anymore, but yet all it takes to break it, is to turn off the power to my external monitor (or the monitor powering off by itself to save energy) or unplugging…
AMD iGPU driver is broken for me right this very moment: https://issues.chromium.org/issues/442860477?pli=1
Re: Can I start using Wayland in 2026?
#196What a fantastic and timely post! Especially coming from i3 maintainer! Michael did such diligent analasys and saved me (and hopefully others) a lot of time. I was considering trying Wayland/sway and this post answered all my questions and showed me that it is not ready, at least for me, yet.
Re: Can I start using Wayland in 2026?
#197Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Life is too short for nvidia bullshit on Linux. So much NVidia hate, but in 23 years the only problems I've had with NVidia on Linux were when they dropped support for old GPUs. Even on proprietary hardware like iMacs and MacBooks. But to each their own.
Even when it worked, it was more clunky than AMD at all times. It came in form of a huge driver bundle you had to install manually (or rely on a distro to do it for you), while AMD GPUs just worked due to `amdgpu` being part of the kernel since forever. Then is the EGLStreams debacle where nvidia lost a lot of goodwill in my opinion, including mine. And finally, nvidia has managed to opensource their driver on Linux…
It's ridiculous to say that AMD (previously ATI) has always been the better choice, and I don't think anybody who used the ATI drivers would agree with you. For years the only reliable way to get GPU acceleration on Linux was basically NVidia.
When AMD bought ATI they started work on the open source drivers and improved the situation, but they had already lost me as a GPU customer by that point.
Maybe now in the 2020s AMD has caught up, and I'll keep them in mind next time I buy a GPU, but I've been happy with NVidia for a long time.
It would be nice if the NVidia driver were in the kernel and open source, but the Debian package has just worked for a very long time now.
Re: Can I start using Wayland in 2026?
#198Earlier quoted context omitted.
I used to be like this. I actually ran a 14" FHD laptop with a 24" 4k monitor, both at 100%. Using i3 and not caring about most interface chrome was great, it was enough for me to zoom the text on the 4k one. But then we got 27" 5k screens at work, and that had me move to wayland since 100% on that was ridiculously small.
Why not 200% and increase font size slightly in all 3 cases?
Because although I don't care much about the chrome, I sometimes have to use it. For example, the address bar in firefox is ridiculously small. Also, some apps, like firefox (again) have a weird adaptation of the scroll to the zoom. So if you zoom at 300%, it will scroll by a lot at a time, whereas 200% is still usable.
Also, 200% on an FHD 14" laptop means 960x540 px equivalent. That's too big to the point of rendering the laptop unusable. Also, X11 doesn't support switching DPI on the fly AFAIK, and I don't want to restart my session whenever I plug or unplug the external monitor, which happens multiple times a day when I'm at the office.
Re: Can I start using Wayland in 2026?
#199It's fun how most of the complaints are like "it works fine on Gnome but I will still blame Wayland because my tiling WM doesn't support it". So maybe try using a proper Wayland implementation
The Chrome crashes when resizing a window doesn't makes any sense, apart from being a WM fault. The Xwayland scaling, again, has native scaling support on Gnome. Same for the monitor resolution problem (which he acknowledged). Same for font rendering. Idk.
Re: Can I start using Wayland in 2026?
#200Earlier quoted context omitted.
We are under an article which tells you that you can have problems with Wayland and hiDPI screens. And for example I’m one of those people, who uses X11, because Wayland failed on many levels, like buggy video playing, crashing while changing monitors, or simply waking up my laptop with an external monitor, and I didn’t give more than a few days to fix these (cheers to the author to try this long), so I went back to…
> Btw, everybody who I know, and I too, changes the font size, and leaving the DPI scaling on 100%, or maybe 200% on X11. Doesn't work if your screens are too different (e.g. 4k laptop screen and 32" desktop monitor).
It does work for Qt and KDE at least.