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Re: Pebble Round 2

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Post by tw04 »

apparent wrote: post #183
ramses0 wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope, some are touch screen only or with only 1-2 buttons. The Garmin's with 5 buttons (eg: Forerunner 55 at ~$170) are decent once you get used to the button-mechanisms, but pebble's UX for "productivity notifications" has always been top-tier.

I seriously cannot understand how to see old notifications on my Garmin. On the Pebble it was just "scroll up" (or down, I don't remember). But on the Garmin it's like multiple button pushes, and even then the list of notifications is not complete. I basically figure if I don't see a notification when it comes in I won't be able to find it in the Garmin's history.

Old notifications, assuming a 5 button watch, tap the middle button, then select notifications which on my watch is the first option in the list.

Re: Pebble Round 2

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Post by rationalist »

jmcphers wrote: post #155
laweijfmvo wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What kind of “sleep tracking” can you really offer with no heart rate monitor?

I own the Pebble 2 Duo and the answer is "almost none". It basically just tells you how long you were still/not moving much in the evening, as you'd expect. It's a pretty good proxy for what time you went to bed and got up, and that's about it. It can't actually tell if you're asleep. There are also (currently) no sleep metrics on app itself; you can only see them on the watch, which doesn't show much besides the sle…

It's been a long time since I used my Pebble Time Steel, but I remember the alarm feature to wake you up when you were in a light phase of sleep worked very well. I didn't do any sleep tracking personally, but the watch seemed to be able to tell.

From an old Kickstarter:

"Pebble Health tracks when you fall asleep, wake up, and how much deep sleep you’re getting (that’s the really good stuff). Smart Alarms determine your optimal wake-up time based on your sleep cycle, so you’re less groggy and more energized to tackle the day."

Re: Pebble Round 2

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Post by RestartKernel »

makeitdouble wrote: post #169
RestartKernel wrote: post #147

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Makes sense for a smaller company. Though proudly advertising a feature you may implement thanks to EU regulation, while avoiding compliance yourself, seems in somewhat bad taste. Not that I am unaware of the immense difference in scale and influence between Apple and Pebble, and the different nature of these regulations in this light.

That would be fine if it was a kickstarter or some "sold as is" prototype. But looking at the page and pitch, it's sold as a regular product backed by a regular company. We're not talking about free returns or costly perks, but manufacturing defects that got passed their QA process or resulted from design issues. Leaving the customer holding the bag for these is kinda crap, even (especially?) for a small company IMHO…

Exactly. I've bought custom keyboards off individuals under such limited expectations, but everything makes this watch otherwise look like a proper product release.

Just to spare people reading this a few clicks (from their FAQ):

> Yes, we warrant against manufacturing defects for 30 days after you receive your order. Ship us the defective watch, and after we receive it back, we will ship (no charge) you a replacement.

Full warranty as of now: https://archive.is/HxXvL

Re: Pebble Round 2

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Post by jolmg »

majesticmerc wrote: post #126
mrinterweb wrote: post #84

Pebble seems to be the only watch company that I feel understands what a smartwatch should be. It feels like everyone else is trying to make a phone replacement. Pebbles are more of an extension to your phone. Sure it can do some things without the phone, but it isn't trying to make calls, access mobile data with its own sim, use GPS. Those kinds of watches feel like they are designed for athletes who want to leave t…

I'm a runner, so obviously biased, but I implore everyone (to the point of annoyance) to check out some of the cheaper Garmin smart watches. They use MIP displays so the battery life runs about 2 weeks, you get phone notifications, the ability to find your phone, sleep scoring, step counting, heart rate monitoring. Then there's the obvious GPS run recording which you don't have to use. There's more stuff as well but…

> check out some of the cheaper Garmin smart watches. They use MIP displays so the battery life runs about 2 weeks

Same deal with the watch of the article. It uses the same display: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46471292

The difference between such Garmin watches and Pebble Round 2 seems to be trading off hardware like built-in GPS and NFC for open source software and thinness. 100% worthwhile trade IMO.

Re: Pebble Round 2

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Post by apparent »

tw04 wrote: post #191
apparent wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I seriously cannot understand how to see old notifications on my Garmin. On the Pebble it was just "scroll up" (or down, I don't remember). But on the Garmin it's like multiple button pushes, and even then the list of notifications is not complete. I basically figure if I don't see a notification when it comes in I won't be able to find it in the Garmin's history.

Old notifications, assuming a 5 button watch, tap the middle button, then select notifications which on my watch is the first option in the list.

Appreciate the help! That contains some notifications, but not all. For example, none of my text messages or emails are there. It's mostly a bunch of alerts from my security system/cameras, for some reason.

Re: Pebble Round 2

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Post by apparent »

lm28469 wrote: post #83
RestartKernel wrote: post #66

Looks great, but a mere 30 day warranty for manufacturing defects is kind of insane. I'm glad they're planning to fully support notifications on iOS in the EU due to the DMA, but that warranty wouldn't even be legal if they sell directly within the EU.

> Looks great, but a mere 30 day warranty for manufacturing defects is kind of insane. It's illegal in advanced societies, but americans call these things "communism" (the rest of the world uses "regulations")

Apple is forced to offer longer warranties in some non-US countries. In these countries, the price of the product is simply higher, to account for this. So basically consumers are forced to pay for an extended warranty in those countries, whereas if they bought them in the US (as some do on vacation), they get them cheaper but without the extended warranty.

I would agree that a product that supposedly has a 30 day battery life (PT2) should have a warranty that lasts longer than 30 days. This is especially true if the software optimizations haven't been completed at the time the watches ship. Otherwise it's just impossible to reliably assess whether the product is actually defective during the return window.

Re: Pebble Round 2

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Post by gbil »

jolmg wrote: post #195
majesticmerc wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a runner, so obviously biased, but I implore everyone (to the point of annoyance) to check out some of the cheaper Garmin smart watches. They use MIP displays so the battery life runs about 2 weeks, you get phone notifications, the ability to find your phone, sleep scoring, step counting, heart rate monitoring. Then there's the obvious GPS run recording which you don't have to use. There's more stuff as well but…

> check out some of the cheaper Garmin smart watches. They use MIP displays so the battery life runs about 2 weeks Same deal with the watch of the article. It uses the same display: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46471292 The difference between such Garmin watches and Pebble Round 2 seems to be trading off hardware like built-in GPS and NFC for open source software and thinness. 100% worthwhile trade IMO.

No HRM on the pebble which makes it a totally separate use case and can't be compared at all with the Garmin ones.

Re: Pebble Round 2

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Post by mrmincent »

lilactown wrote: post #119

Would buy this in a heartbeat (pun intended) if it came with a heart rate monitor. I had the first Pebble Time Round and it's my favorite smart watch I've ever owned, but these days the things I want from a watch are to tell the time and collect biometrics. Taking a step back in biometrics feels like a bummer. I also totally buy that it would increase the foot print in a way that would feel way less slim.

Yeah it would’ve been an instant buy for me if it did HR monitoring, even if it meant a thicker base. Now it’ll probably just be a fairly quick buy as my Apple Watch s7 can hardly last a day.

Re: Pebble Round 2

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Post by faitswulff »

gbil wrote: post #198
jolmg wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> check out some of the cheaper Garmin smart watches. They use MIP displays so the battery life runs about 2 weeks Same deal with the watch of the article. It uses the same display: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46471292 The difference between such Garmin watches and Pebble Round 2 seems to be trading off hardware like built-in GPS and NFC for open source software and thinness. 100% worthwhile trade IMO.

No HRM on the pebble which makes it a totally separate use case and can't be compared at all with the Garmin ones.

The Pebble Time 2 has a heart rate monitor
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