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I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by graemep »

petcat wrote: post #185
graemep wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I laughed at this, as an european. I mean just this year we've had like 3 scares with chat control, Chat control is an EU thing. The article is about a move to Proton which is Swiss and therefore outside the EU and not directly affected by chat control or other EU laws. Of course the EU might make it illegal for them to supply their services to EU countries, but then no platform anywhere can avoid that problem. On…

Proton already announced earlier this year that they are leaving Switzerland due to legal uncertainty and relocating their physical infrastructure to Germany, which obviously is in the EU.

Have they moved yet? If not they are not EU yet.

Its also interesting that they have chosen specific EU countries and the differences between countries does matter.

What happens if, as is probable, the EU brings in similar laws?

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by patresh »

jimnotgym wrote: post #186
littlecranky67 wrote: post #118

Just migrated away my personal email (with custom domains) from Microsoft 365 to Proton, and boy, it is such a better experience. M365 has become an intangible mess of a multitude of different admin dashboards redirecting you around and complicating things beyond comprehension. For the migration, I wanted to backup my entire email backlog. It took me two hours to finally get it connected to thunderbard via IMAP and d…

Does anyone know if the android app for ProtonMail works now? It became unusable a couple of years ago

I've had no issues with the app lately, but it's still missing the feature of building a local search index to do searches based on e-mail content, like the web client can do.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by littlecranky67 »

LunaSea wrote: post #190
littlecranky67 wrote: post #118

Just migrated away my personal email (with custom domains) from Microsoft 365 to Proton, and boy, it is such a better experience. M365 has become an intangible mess of a multitude of different admin dashboards redirecting you around and complicating things beyond comprehension. For the migration, I wanted to backup my entire email backlog. It took me two hours to finally get it connected to thunderbard via IMAP and d…

Have you seen any difference in email reception rates from Proton?

Too early to say that (I used the holidays for the transition). With your custom domains you have to make sure everything is setup properly on the DNS side (MX records, SPF, DKIM/DMARC etc.) but the proton ui has checks and makes that really easy, when correctly setup all checks are displayed "green". If you have trouble of your outgoing mails to be accepted (or land in spam), I would advice making sure all is marked green for you too.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by zipy124 »

zelphirkalt wrote: post #182
kertoip_1 wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But you still can use Thunderbird for that. I recommend it no matter what mail provider is used. Web interfaces are so heavy nowadays, compared to that, Thunderbird feels so fast.

Until some time ago they prevented users from using Thunderbird for Protonmail though. Well, good that now it is possible!

You've been able to use it since 2017 on Windows and 2020 on Linux, so only about 8 and 5 years respectively.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by littlecranky67 »

illiac786 wrote: post #171
littlecranky67 wrote: post #118

Just migrated away my personal email (with custom domains) from Microsoft 365 to Proton, and boy, it is such a better experience. M365 has become an intangible mess of a multitude of different admin dashboards redirecting you around and complicating things beyond comprehension. For the migration, I wanted to backup my entire email backlog. It took me two hours to finally get it connected to thunderbard via IMAP and d…

I agree with everything, just want to add a downside of proton which is often forgotten: there is no search. You cannot search your emails’ body (headers work, but keywords like “from:” still do not work for search), you cannot search the content of your files, etc. It’s the price of end-to-end encryption. The only workaround is synchronising everything locally and searching locally.

This is a problem of encrypted storage in general (and hopefully homomorphic encryption will solve that), but I knew this and for me that is a feature, not a bug. I use 2-step password auth (NOT 2FA) explicitly so no one can read my emails without my consent - not the provider, nor the government.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by zipy124 »

wtcactus wrote: post #172
scrollaway wrote: post #156

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And? You're linking a US media website, one famous for having its head way up the american exceptionalism hole. Also, didn't you vote to not call yourself European or something-something?

> You're linking a US media website, one famous for having its head way up the american exceptionalism hole. Oh, I didn’t notice we are already in the censorship phase and we can’t even link Fox News. It’s a factual news (but you are free to contest it) and if Fox is the only one willing to publish it, it says more about European descent into madness than you think. > Also, didn't you vote to not call yourself Europe…

If Fox is the only one willing to publish it, it says a lot about the news story itself.... Whilst they may time to time have some journalism I'm sure, it's not a respectable news organisation in the same way as AP or Reuters and such. If it was a decent story it would be picked up on and re-reported by other outlets. There is not some conspiracy where all other journalists refuse to publish the 'truth'...

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by littlecranky67 »

littlecranky67 wrote: post #118

Just migrated away my personal email (with custom domains) from Microsoft 365 to Proton, and boy, it is such a better experience. M365 has become an intangible mess of a multitude of different admin dashboards redirecting you around and complicating things beyond comprehension. For the migration, I wanted to backup my entire email backlog. It took me two hours to finally get it connected to thunderbard via IMAP and d…

To add to my own post what made me switch from M365 away in the first place besides the admin madness:

- No catch-all (yes, I use my own domain just for me, and I want a catchall to my mailbox)

- Outlook 365 webinterface becoming buggy and shitty in so many ways

- I had 2 domains set up (one private, one business) but O365 would not display which email a given was used as target (just display my name), nor would it let me choose FROM which Email I want send/reply to a mail

- O365 required re-authentication every 24h or so, but I always keep the webinterface open in my tab 24/7

Additionally, I had a Bitwarden paid subscription and looking for another VPN subscription, plus a commercial AI subscription. Proton is has all of that in a one-package deal.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by StrangeSound »

littlecranky67 wrote: post #118

Just migrated away my personal email (with custom domains) from Microsoft 365 to Proton, and boy, it is such a better experience. M365 has become an intangible mess of a multitude of different admin dashboards redirecting you around and complicating things beyond comprehension. For the migration, I wanted to backup my entire email backlog. It took me two hours to finally get it connected to thunderbard via IMAP and d…

I really tried migrating to Proton, but unfortunately I found their suite not really fit for purpose and I had to request a refund.

- No search in Mail. You can use Bridge to pull your emails into something else, but this means it's no longer secure, and not really feasible for a non-techy partner!

- No search in Drive

- 3 domain limit for Mail(???)

- Drive sucks. No previewing files, viewing photos etc. due to missing docs suite

- No proper shared folders in Drive

- Pass is woeful at autocomplete

- Pass Aliases are independent of logins, so you end up with double entries for everything

- You can't sync the calendar with native apps, and the calendar doesn't show birthdays

- No contact sync

- Pass doesn't support SSH

- VPN lets you split tunnel by app on PC, app AND IP on Android, IP on the chrome extension. Some let you include, others exlcude. How hard is it to just allow exclude/include for hostnames?

There's tonnes more that I'm missing that I can't think of from the top of my head, but it seems like Proton have stretched themselves very thinly. What I would consider a lot of basic features are missing. One look at their UserVoice community shows a lot of frustration

I think it's probably best to pay for individual services that focus on one area. I ended up with Fastmail, 1Password, and Windscribe for example.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by littlecranky67 »

StrangeSound wrote: post #198
littlecranky67 wrote: post #118

Just migrated away my personal email (with custom domains) from Microsoft 365 to Proton, and boy, it is such a better experience. M365 has become an intangible mess of a multitude of different admin dashboards redirecting you around and complicating things beyond comprehension. For the migration, I wanted to backup my entire email backlog. It took me two hours to finally get it connected to thunderbard via IMAP and d…

I really tried migrating to Proton, but unfortunately I found their suite not really fit for purpose and I had to request a refund. - No search in Mail. You can use Bridge to pull your emails into something else, but this means it's no longer secure, and not really feasible for a non-techy partner! - No search in Drive - 3 domain limit for Mail(???) - Drive sucks. No previewing files, viewing photos etc. due to missi…

Valid points. For me the no search is feature (due to everything being encrypted), not a bug. But this is an individual decision. I have a similar list after 2 years of using (and managing) my personal M365 subscription (Onedrive on macOS sucks, search on iOS is very slow, spotlight integration doesn't work etc.). I just wonder what you use now as an alternative, because it seems the perfect solution will not exist. For M365, they also just price hiked my subscription after one year to over 40% (and what would I do, migration takes day) and I just felt Microsoft holds me hostage. This is not solved in any way by moving to just another lock-in platform, but I trust proton more to value customers and not squeeze money out of me with that lock-in. At least I trust them more than Microsoft or Google.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by patresh »

Does anyone have experience with longer DeepResearch tasks with Mammouth? How does it compare to using Gemini's / ChatGPT's DeepResearch or GPTResearcher + API-based alternatives?

For standard questions I feel like it doesn't matter too much what you use. When it comes to multi-step searching + reasoning flows like look for alternatives, fetch pricing, feature lists, compare etc, the differences are larger because of the engineering glue and prompting around the pure LLM inference which makes the tools more or less powerful.

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