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I'm a laptop weirdo and that's why I like my new Framework 13

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Re: I'm a laptop weirdo and that's why I like my new Framework 13

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Post by user_7832 »

simjnd wrote: post #119
zikduruqe wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Framework starts so far behind in performance ... Honest question and not meant to flame anyone. What benchmark are you referring to regarding performance; spec sheets or your tools are not working correctly or working slowly? Just trying to understand users needs in upgrading. I have some new MacBooks and some old linux laptops. They both equally work just fine for what I need to do, and I am starting to question…

It's more a matter of effiency and battery life, and that's mostly due to Linux more than inherent to the Framework or its hardware (try running Asahi Linux on an M MacBook and just notice your battery life be cut in half). I love my M1 Pro MacBook and I wish I could have the same efficiency when running Linux but I can't. My Framework runs faster, but a lot hotter, louder and with a lot less battery life. But I feel…

That's a bit interesting, because IME linux on my framework 13 (7840u, 61wh battery) is surprisingly very solid. Fans almost never spin up (even with a windows KVM plus lot of firefox tabs), and I can get 6-8 hours easy, and 10+ hours of battery life if I push it (without even using power saving mode), on native linux (Fedora 40).

Windows 10 in comparison gives maybe 4-5 hours of battery plus lots of fan usage (but lesser ram usage often).

Re: I'm a laptop weirdo and that's why I like my new Framework 13

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Post by Tade0 »

testing22321 wrote: post #157
astra1701 wrote: post #49

The really special thing about Frameworks is that you can quickly buy and replace basically any part, not just the usual RAM and SSD -- case in point, when I managed to damage my FW13's keyboard such that it was no longer usable, I could just... go straight to Framework's website and buy a new one for $40. And, I even had the option of a slightly improved one, that shed the Windows key and lacked the god-awful copilo…

I’ve always found this line of thinking to match up with drivers of old Land Rovers. The thinking goes they are brilliant because they are so easy to repair and parts are easy to source globally. While that’s true, I much prefer to drive vehicles that don’t need repairs.

I don't know about you, but every laptop I've had suffered some sort of malfunction sooner or later and I never bothered to have them serviced because it was too much of a hassle - especially seeing how a friend of mine outright battled Lenovo support over mundane things like a failing keyboard despite everything being still in warranty.

Specific issues by laptop:

1. Pressure marks on screen, failing USB ports, cracked hinge after three years.

2. Pressure marks on screen, failed battery, failing power supply socket after seven years.

3. Warped reflective layer in screen, rattling fans, overheating despite fan replacement (which I did at home and it took three hours) after five years.

I also broke the butterfly keyboard on a 2019 MBP I was using at work.

With the Framework I can address each and every one of the mentioned problems myself - just need to order parts and spend half an hour or so per item.

Re: I'm a laptop weirdo and that's why I like my new Framework 13

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Post by uoaei »

schmuckonwheels wrote: post #190
astra1701 wrote: post #49

The really special thing about Frameworks is that you can quickly buy and replace basically any part, not just the usual RAM and SSD -- case in point, when I managed to damage my FW13's keyboard such that it was no longer usable, I could just... go straight to Framework's website and buy a new one for $40. And, I even had the option of a slightly improved one, that shed the Windows key and lacked the god-awful copilo…

You're excited about the prospect of repairing a manufacturer's faulty engineering at your own cost? An analogy would be buying a new car then bragging to your friends that despite it being a lemon, you're thrilled because you can repair it yourself (at cost).

Then you show them the long term amortized value of that car over its lifetime, not to mention waste reduction, and it starts to make more sense.

Re: I'm a laptop weirdo and that's why I like my new Framework 13

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Post by davkan »

schmuckonwheels wrote: post #190
astra1701 wrote: post #49

The really special thing about Frameworks is that you can quickly buy and replace basically any part, not just the usual RAM and SSD -- case in point, when I managed to damage my FW13's keyboard such that it was no longer usable, I could just... go straight to Framework's website and buy a new one for $40. And, I even had the option of a slightly improved one, that shed the Windows key and lacked the god-awful copilo…

You're excited about the prospect of repairing a manufacturer's faulty engineering at your own cost? An analogy would be buying a new car then bragging to your friends that despite it being a lemon, you're thrilled because you can repair it yourself (at cost).

You’re missing the common alternative in the modern age which is the manufacturer not selling the part at all and being left with a pile of unrepairable junk despite an otherwise functioning device.

Laptop hinges were notorious for killing laptops for like a decade.

Re: I'm a laptop weirdo and that's why I like my new Framework 13

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Post by dontlaugh »

eterm wrote: post #167
dontlaugh wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The solution is to get blank keycaps. Then it doesn’t matter.

It does matter, because the phyiscal keys themselves are literally in different places. Comparison: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt1DL1fO6Zs Note that weird abomination of a backslash key around the enter key on the US keyboard. There's no way to just map the US keyboard to the UK one.

Sure, I’m familiar with the weird UK layout.

Re: I'm a laptop weirdo and that's why I like my new Framework 13

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Post by Ritewut »

testing22321 wrote: post #157
astra1701 wrote: post #49

The really special thing about Frameworks is that you can quickly buy and replace basically any part, not just the usual RAM and SSD -- case in point, when I managed to damage my FW13's keyboard such that it was no longer usable, I could just... go straight to Framework's website and buy a new one for $40. And, I even had the option of a slightly improved one, that shed the Windows key and lacked the god-awful copilo…

I’ve always found this line of thinking to match up with drivers of old Land Rovers. The thinking goes they are brilliant because they are so easy to repair and parts are easy to source globally. While that’s true, I much prefer to drive vehicles that don’t need repairs.

There is no such thing as a vehicle that doesn't need repairs. Just ones you can't repair yourself.

Re: I'm a laptop weirdo and that's why I like my new Framework 13

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Post by sowbug »

simpaticoder wrote: post #168
nrp wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The RTC substitute module is the permanent fix, which does require soldering one wire to a point on the Mainboard.

I did this repair and it was not nearly as easy as you imply. The wire is extremely thin, and the pad on the motherboard is extremely small. I had to purchase special eye-wear in order to see what I was doing, in addition to a soldering iron. It was and is totally wrong that Framework requires users to repair a component that was faulty from the factory. You should ship the laptops back to your facility and repair th…

The warranty suggests that Framework would "ship the laptops back to [their] facility and repair them, at [their] expense," as you said they should. Did that not happen while your warranty period was in effect?

https://frame.work/warranty

Re: I'm a laptop weirdo and that's why I like my new Framework 13

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Post by Ritewut »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #173
testing22321 wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve always found this line of thinking to match up with drivers of old Land Rovers. The thinking goes they are brilliant because they are so easy to repair and parts are easy to source globally. While that’s true, I much prefer to drive vehicles that don’t need repairs.

It would also be apt if the handover cost $10,000 but the engine cost $9000. My framework 13 is OKAY. But the reality of it is the economics just don’t make sense with their pricing. The biggest thing people can comment on the keyboard is easily replaceable. That’s cool and I love the idea, but any vendor could do that part.

I had a Framework mainboard die and I was able to replace it myself with a free replacement they sent me without need to throw away the laptop. The economics make sense when you consider they don't get the priority for chips or the volume discounts that a company like Dell would get from AMD or Intel. They are getting scraps and doing what they can to make it work.

Re: I'm a laptop weirdo and that's why I like my new Framework 13

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Post by mixmastamyk »

cyberrock wrote: post #140

Unfortunately the FW13 is how I realized I don't like 13(.5)" and 3:2, because I'm just too used to 14-16" and 16:10/16:9. I wish they had more variety in chassis, not just in size and aspect ratio, but also touchscreen and 2-in-1 conversion. You'd think that that might be easier to support than designing and supporting more mainboards. But when I saw that FW12 is a 2-in-1 I knew they were never going to add touch to…

16:9 sucks unless you watch movies all day. A taller screen allows less scrolling. The 16 is larger and is 16:10.
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