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Re: Ruby website redesigned

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So using a term as an ethnonym for historically British ethnic people is racist? If so, is it racist to assert or assume that ethnic Europeans exist?

What the hell are you on about.

"Native brit" does not identify a people the way "native american" does.

There is no entry in the dictionary for "native brit".

This is all I'm talking about.

Quit trolling.

Re: Ruby website redesigned

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Why is platforming him in 2025 nonsensical?

platforming him at all is nonsensical if you want to claim to have a kind and/or welcoming community

So your claim is, that he is not a kind person. Were his blog posts that inflammatory?

Re: Ruby website redesigned

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On my iPad, without scrolling, the screen shows almost nothing, just a download button and some text that, I think users will ignore. I think that’s a waste of valuable screen estate. Also, apart from a quote from David Heinemeier Hansson the home page doesn’t even mention that ruby is a programming language. For comparison, the following all mention that above the fold, with a short phrase indicating what you would…

Funny how these statements seem to preempt alternative descriptions, misconceptions or criticisms. Python is pretty well known as a data, analytic and machine learning oriented language, and they lean into a more broad characterization. Perl might be described as dead/dying, and they characterize its development as ongoing. PHP might be described as a web scripting language, and they characterize it as general purpos…

That’s not funny; it’s good use of the most prominent part of the site.

A site (re)design starts with determining who’s your audience, and what you want to tell them.

These sites will want to serve both existing and new developers.

What they want to tell them will be different for the two groups, but the existing ones won’t be chased away by a short description aimed at newcomers, but newcomers can easily turn away by the lack of such a description.

As to what to put in the description: it sort-of is an advert, so you often don’t exactly say what you are, but more what you want to be.

https://www.swift.org is a clear example. They definitely want to tell everybody that Swift is multiplatform, giving cloud services, command line tools and embedded development more prominence than iOS apps.

I think they do that particularly well, much better than this ruby site (https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/)

For example, on the swift site, they claim ‘embedded’. If you click on that, you get examples for various platforms such as Raspberry Pi and STM32 (https://www.swift.org/get-started/embedded/). That allows you to verify that claim.

In contrast, this Ruby site makes claims such as 'Easy to write, easy to read. Natural syntax like spoken language’, 'Do more with less code', but it’s not easy for users to check whether that’s true.

Re: Ruby website redesigned

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I like the new design, however, I strongly believe the website could've been optimized further and used much less JS. Opening the website with JS turned off makes the code examples not load and the front page freezes as "0%" loading. What does it do exactly? It just fetches[1] to another part of site and retrieves static text[2] to be displayed. This part could've been kept as part of the html, no need for this artif…

I like instantaneous page loads after the initial first page load, which is what the JS does here. Hard to do so without it.

I don't see what JS code would provide this?

Re: Ruby website redesigned

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Not sure if you got the memo but we aren’t cancelling people for their political views anymore. That’s not really a thing anymore. Just because you don’t agree with his views doesn’t make it “not a good look”. In fact, the ability to think outside of his cultural bubble and go against the grain is something that makes him great.

I mean, you're allowed to think an ethnonationalist has a consistent and reasonable worldview. That's absolutely ridiculous but you're free to think it. Nobody's cancelling anyone.

But having DHH as a face of your programming language, a language that's supposed to have a "warm community", doesn't really make any sense, and it will obviously drive people away.

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Being critical of MENA migration is not hateful speech. Hateful speech is stating: you are from a MENA region therefore you are x negative trait . Being critical of migration is just being critical of migration , which is allowed. His defence ("suicidal empathy" etc;) comes from the situation in the UK where people are being arrested en-masse for "hate speech" for referencing acts of terror[0]. You can dislike what h…

He did imply that brown people are rapists, and that transpeople bad. So he also fits your definition of hateful.

In "As I remember London" he also says that crime increases when there are more brown people.

Re: Ruby website redesigned

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So many Web designers put zero thought into how their page looks when it is not loaded or not scrolled exactly past the trigger. So many sites say "0 happy customers", because someone thought showing incrementing numbers is cool. On this page, it opens up with a "100%" loading indicator, for a site that appears to have no interactivity that would require JS, just to show a pointless animation.

I am sure that the designers had to juggle a massive amount of community input and feedback and I know that this is not easy. Kudos to them for (i) leading with some very apt code examples, (ii) the 4 "whys" and (iii) the multilingual support. Speaking from experience (recently we rebuilt https://raku.org ), I am sure that they will come back and optimize, but tbh this is not the priority with a new site where the hi…

> Speaking from experience (recently we rebuilt https://raku.org),

FYI, front-page has a lot of examples, that I assume change when switching tabs, e.g. "multi-paradigm" "strict-gradual" "interactive-mode", etc.

But nothing happens, neither Safari 18.6, nor Chrome 143.0, on macOS 15.5.

Re: Ruby website redesigned

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I say this with love, compassion, grace, and all due respect: Who gives a shit?

It's a website for web devs. Web devs give a shit.

Ruby isn't necessarily for web devs. Ruby is popular for all sorts of business line applications. In Japan is popular for lower level programming. You can do game programming via something like Dragon Ruby. Sure its very popular for Rails, but you don't necessarily need to do web dev.

Re: Ruby website redesigned

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post #168

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Being critical of MENA migration is not hateful speech. Hateful speech is stating: you are from a MENA region therefore you are x negative trait . Being critical of migration is just being critical of migration , which is allowed. His defence ("suicidal empathy" etc;) comes from the situation in the UK where people are being arrested en-masse for "hate speech" for referencing acts of terror[0]. You can dislike what h…

He did imply that brown people are rapists, and that transpeople bad. So he also fits your definition of hateful. In "As I remember London" he also says that crime increases when there are more brown people.

I think he backed his citations, and just because migration from MENA regions (a historically entirely different culture) are “brown people” doesn’t make it invalid. Mexicans are also brown people and so are Spanish people in some definitions. Yet somehow he’s not talking about them. If you look closely he’s criticising the kids gloves that the authorities are handling the newcomers that leads to a worsening narrative for everyone- lets not forget that there are victims in both camps here.

We should be able to criticise migration without everyone saying it’s racism otherwise you loosen the definition of racism so much that everybody becomes a “racist” eventually and it stops having a sting

Re: Ruby website redesigned

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So using a term as an ethnonym for historically British ethnic people is racist? If so, is it racist to assert or assume that ethnic Europeans exist?

What the hell are you on about. "Native brit" does not identify a people the way "native american" does. There is no entry in the dictionary for "native brit". This is all I'm talking about. Quit trolling.

OP was trying to talk about ethnic brits, and I think that was clear from the context. He was then rebuked for that.
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