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Thin desires are eating life

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Re: Thin desires are eating life

#191

I can't help but feel that this article was written in a format that is the textual equivalent of thin desires… Every sentence is separated into its own paragraph, like each one is supposed to be revelatory (or maybe tweet-worthy). It's pretty common design knowledge that if you try to emphasize everything, you end up emphasizing nothing. The result is that reading the article feels choppy, and weirdly unsatisfying,…

"Thin Paragraphs"

Re: Thin desires are eating life

#193
"The desire to master a craft, to read slowly, [...]"

By the time I got to that part my reading had degraded to mere skimming -

a perfectly placed reminder :-)

Here's another angle on the issue: As humans, we evolved these useful litte machines of desire.

Desires to feed, mate, socialize attend and get attended to. All of those came about because they had some utility, a purpose.

Over time we found ways to exploit those machines using substitutes.

- Sweets are a substitute for nourishing food.

- Porn feeds on our desire to mate.

- Social media overloads the fine-tuned machine meant to orient us in the tribe.

I suspect a big part of capitalism is creating ever more efficient and subtle ways to highjack these aspects of our humanity on a grand scale.

Damn.

Re: Thin desires are eating life

#194

I really like this article. I bake bread. I have spent a good deal of time optimizing the recipe for deliciousness but also for time efficiency. Proving in a warm oven is a great tip. Also baking two loaves at a time! All this nit picking about writing style is disappointing. I like that this person got their ideas out there. They are good ideas. Legible and easy to parse == good enough. I don't care about the writin…

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Re: Thin desires are eating life

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post #136

I’ve heard of “Idiot wisdom” and “wise wisdom”. Idiot wisdom - is generic platitudes that sound nice, but aren’t actionable. Wise wisdom- might not always sound nice, but is actionable. My ego likes this article, if I believe that I pursue thick desires. But some part of me thinks (and perhaps due to the written style ). That this is idiot wisdom. Another commenter mentioned it ties to Tanha in Buddhism. I don’t know…

What would be an example of "Wise wisdom"?

Re: Thin desires are eating life

#196
post #109

Desires to consume (create) are thin (thick). Thin: A desire to enjoy a book, video game, movie, musical performance, new technology, love, ... Thick: A desire to make any of the above. The cure for Dementors isn't chocolate, it's becoming a tiny god of creation. Meaning is in making.

True to an extent. But why would you want to create (e.g.) a movie if you don't think watching movies is worthwhile in and of itself? You're putting effort into creating something that you don't think is truly valuable. To a person with this mindset, the desire to create is cynical—they're only making movies in pursuit of extrinsic rewards such as money, fame, or success. If watching movies is thin to them, then maki…

I think, perhaps because the creation is the goal in itself, not the consumption by others. Because it is the change/improvement that the author mentions that we seek.

Re: Thin desires are eating life

#197

> How could this be, when we've gotten so good at giving people what they want? > Maybe because we've gotten good at giving people what they want in a way that prevents them from wanting anything worth having. This has a political interpretation too. Have you noticed that online "petitions" have mostly disappeared lately ? Maybe this disappearance is based on now-widespread recognition that the way to get the attenti…

Looking at all the anti immigration protests, I kind of wish these people only had thin desires.

Re: Thin desires are eating life

#198
post #109

Desires to consume (create) are thin (thick). Thin: A desire to enjoy a book, video game, movie, musical performance, new technology, love, ... Thick: A desire to make any of the above. The cure for Dementors isn't chocolate, it's becoming a tiny god of creation. Meaning is in making.

True to an extent. But why would you want to create (e.g.) a movie if you don't think watching movies is worthwhile in and of itself? You're putting effort into creating something that you don't think is truly valuable. To a person with this mindset, the desire to create is cynical—they're only making movies in pursuit of extrinsic rewards such as money, fame, or success. If watching movies is thin to them, then maki…

The article's definition: "A thick desire is one that changes you in the process of pursuing it."

This definition is compatible with watching some films and not others. I think Alan Watts said something like that his job was that you no longer needed him. This implies that consuming his work would be thick until it wouldn't.

Re: Thin desires are eating life

#199
post #136

I’ve heard of “Idiot wisdom” and “wise wisdom”. Idiot wisdom - is generic platitudes that sound nice, but aren’t actionable. Wise wisdom- might not always sound nice, but is actionable. My ego likes this article, if I believe that I pursue thick desires. But some part of me thinks (and perhaps due to the written style ). That this is idiot wisdom. Another commenter mentioned it ties to Tanha in Buddhism. I don’t know…

Most definitely idiot wisdom. All the comments here lauding it, are pointing out first how they feel good about the text. That it resonates, that they like it. The importance of the content was that they felt good reading, not that they learned something.

Re: Thin desires are eating life

#200

I can't help but feel that this article was written in a format that is the textual equivalent of thin desires… Every sentence is separated into its own paragraph, like each one is supposed to be revelatory (or maybe tweet-worthy). It's pretty common design knowledge that if you try to emphasize everything, you end up emphasizing nothing. The result is that reading the article feels choppy, and weirdly unsatisfying,…

Sure, but can you at least appreciate the underlying meaning (soul) of the text?
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