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Re: SoundCloud has banned VPN access

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post #155

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Or his kid uses a free game with a lot of grinding, not knowing that the child's phone is now technically part of a botnet.

I would like to know more about this. Got a source?

It's hard to find a source that isn't paywalled, but fortunately it's covered in a paper: https://www.xiaojingliao.com/uploads/9/7/0/2/97024238/ndss21...

Re: SoundCloud has banned VPN access

#193

How does this help Soundcloud's bottom line? They aren't a streaming service that curates and licenses's content intended for specific regions are they?

They have a lot of user-created music that doesnt exist anywhere else. Maybe they're trying to sell that dataset to AI companies for training their models. If they allow non-residential IPs, those potential customers could just scrape their site instead.

Re: SoundCloud has banned VPN access

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There are plenty of VPN and proxy detection services, either as a service (API) or downloadable database, which are surprisingly comprehensive. Disclaimer: I’ve run one since 2017. Years on, our primary data source is literally holding dozens of subscriptions to every commercial provider we can find, and enumerating the exit node IP addresses they use. There are also other methods, like using zmap/zgrab to probe for…

just out of curiosity: if i'm located in spain and i setup an ec2 or digital ocean instance in germany and use it as a socks proxy over ssh, do you will detect me?

It is even easier to block hosting providers. They typically publish official lists. Here's the full list for both of those providers:

https://ip-ranges.amazonaws.com/ip-ranges.json

https://digitalocean.com/geo/google.csv

(And even if they don't publish them, you can just look up the ranges owned by any autonomous network with the appropriate registry.)

Re: SoundCloud has banned VPN access

#195

I keep wishing “privacy” company, Apple, would release a VPN such that no business would be able to block it as they’d lose too many customers

Apple, parading as paragons of privacy, also allow companies like Facebook etc. to track you across reinstalls and EVEN DEVICE RESETS and NEW DEVICES through the iCloud Keychain API.

This shit has been going on for maybe 5 years but no one seems to know or care.

Re: SoundCloud has banned VPN access

#196
post #73

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Legislation. If a country requires age verification, identity verification, moderation, etc, it's easy enough to either block that traffic or enforce the local laws. However users can easily circumvent this with a VPN. For some countries, this traffic is still in scope, and so the only real way to prevent it is to block or impose the restrictions on all VPN users. Could also be spam/abuse prevention. Credential stuff…

Yeah, but age verification for _music_?

There is also age-requirement legislation for platforms that contain social media components or collect private information, which SoundCloud also does.

Re: SoundCloud has banned VPN access

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> you only need to detect a VPN connection once to prove violation But an IP address is not a person (legally in the US at least), and many IPv4 addresses get re-used fairly often. My home 5G internet changes IP every single day, and it's a constant struggle because other users often get my IP blocked for things I didn't do. I cannot even visit etsy.com for example. Just for fun I even checked 4chan and the IP was ba…

> But an IP address is not a person (legally in the US at least) That's a completely different matter (and still probably reasonable suspicion for a search, anyway). If an account /service ID evidently uses a service through a VPN there is no uncertainty of ToS violation. Of course someone could have hacked your account and used a VPN, it doesn't ultimately prove you did it, but nevertheless the account can be flagge…

And also it doesn't matter what the legally provable significance of an IP address is for the purposes of violating a ToS. A ban from SoundCloud is not a court proceeding. ToS agreements are allowed to have arbitrary rules, and they routinely do.

Re: SoundCloud has banned VPN access

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post #55

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> which is a shame because I'm a real human being using the internet as intended. This is the main issue here, the web has become actively hostile to normal people in the quest to monetize every second of online activity.

"Actively hostile" is another of the common myths. See also: "corporations are evil". "Completely indifferent" and "Corporations are completely amoral" are more accurate. It's the difference between someone trying to drown you, versus someone trying to fish while you drown just off the bank. Same end, of course.

while i am sure that google was completely indifferent when they made their search engine return worse results in the name of increasing profits , this action did serve to directly increase human suffering

Re: SoundCloud has banned VPN access

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post #45

Last night I was blocked from HBOMAX (or whatever brand they go by these days) for being on a VPN. That was the first time I've ever encountered something like that on HBOMAX. I wonder if there is some coordinating event here.

Did the error condition actually call out "VPN use" ? Did the HBO UI actually call out, by that term, a VPN ? ... or were you simply using a VPN and that's the most likely culprit for a general failure of the service ? Genuinely curious ...

They specifically used "VPN" in the error message but I can't remember the exact text of the whole message.

Re: SoundCloud has banned VPN access

#200

You can't just blanket block all VPN access, that's not how the internet works... they could pick some common/well-known providers of VPN services and block their IPs/ASN/etc., but you can't just flip a switch and make all forms of VPN/proxy stop working, as there's no way to tell with certainty that someone is using one.

GEOIP providers often sell a database of known VPN/Proxy endpoints. They take the approach of shoot first, ask questions later. Using one of these databases bans a lot of legitimate ip addresses that have seen been the source of known VPN or proxy traffic. Its not perfect ofc, but its not meant to be. Its usually just used as a safety blanket for geoblocked intellectual property, like netflix.

For low-volume stuff you can always get a non-expiring 4G/5G bundle eSIM and tunnel through that. Because 4G/5G roaming always tunnels traffic through the home country, and then emerges from CGNAT so it can't be identified as foreign traffic.

But those data packages are expensive and not available with each wanted origin country. Also you need hardware on your side. But it is an option, just saying.

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