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Microsoft Copilot AI Comes to LG TVs, and Can't Be Deleted

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Post by crote »

darkwater wrote: post #184
pjc50 wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The EU actually mandated that cars have a modem ("eCall"), so they could self-report accidents. I think this has been under reported even in tech circles.

You also need to have a spare tire or an inflate kit, that doesn't mean you can throw it at somebody's head or spray them in the eyes. Said in another manner: having eCall doesn't mean that they are authorized to send telemetry back in non-emergency situations or use it to do any other thing unrelated to the main function. Now, if there is not a law that forbids that, car makers are going to exploit that loophole for…

The path is obvious, is it not?

Having two independent cellular modems in a car is obviously silly, so it only makes sense to use the same module both for the mandatory emergency calling and for the telemetry.

Because the emergency calling is mandatory, it'll of course be made impossible to disable the modem - and by extension the telemetry. Oh, you disabled the telemetry? I bet that'll be called "tampering with safety equipment", and your insurance is now void, and your car is no longer road legal.

If the law doesn't mandate that eCall has to be fully independent, it'll 100% be used to spy on you.

Re: Microsoft Copilot AI Comes to LG TVs, and Can't Be Deleted

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Post by p_j_w »

Y-bar wrote: post #162
mr_mitm wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you think of Nvidia Shield? I haven't tried it, but I think it should also belong to 2). It's clearly much more expensive than a FireTV, but as you say it shouldn't be subsidized by ads. As an Android device it should be more open than an Apple TV. While I recognize the near flawless UI and high hardware quality of most Apple devices, I disagree with their "golden cage" or walled garden approach.

I see many people liking their shield, and with good reason it seems, but is it a worthy ecosystem to buy in to when it has not seen a new hardware revision since 2019?

What benefits would a hardware upgrade bring the end user? Not releasing a new model every year sounds like a perfectly good thing to me as long as they keep updating the software without introducing performance problems.

My biggest gripe with the Shield is the newest one has a remote that I really don’t like. Luckily it can be replaced with a third party remote!

Re: Microsoft Copilot AI Comes to LG TVs, and Can't Be Deleted

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Post by isoprophlex »

alias_neo wrote: post #187
kburman wrote: post #127

My rule for modern TVs: 1. Never connect the TV panel itself to the internet. Keep it air-gapped. Treat it solely as a dumb monitor. 2. Use an Apple TV for the "smart" features. 3. Avoid Fire TV, Chromecast, or Roku. The logic is simple, Google (Chromecast) and Amazon (Fire TV) operate on the same business model as the TV manufacturers subsidized hardware in exchange for user data and ad inventory. Apple is the only…

Maybe this is what I need to do. I disconnected our living room LG TV from the internet and got a Fire Stick 4K Max, but I hate it; 90% of the screen is advert, and you get a tiny sliver for the 5 apps it lets you see, and you have to go digging for the rest, not to mention the home-screen advertising isn't always appropriate for young children. I hadn't considered Apple TV because I've never been an Apple user, but…

Happy apple tv user for > 5 years now. It has icons for the apps you want to start on the home screen. You click the icons. The apps start.

It's connected to a samsung tv that's not allowed wifi access. Besides the bad and steadily worsening UX of streaming apps like Netflix, my setup itself never shows me any ads.

Also the apple tv remote has a very solid, premium feel, which i like

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Post by theshrike79 »

alias_neo wrote: post #187
kburman wrote: post #127

My rule for modern TVs: 1. Never connect the TV panel itself to the internet. Keep it air-gapped. Treat it solely as a dumb monitor. 2. Use an Apple TV for the "smart" features. 3. Avoid Fire TV, Chromecast, or Roku. The logic is simple, Google (Chromecast) and Amazon (Fire TV) operate on the same business model as the TV manufacturers subsidized hardware in exchange for user data and ad inventory. Apple is the only…

Maybe this is what I need to do. I disconnected our living room LG TV from the internet and got a Fire Stick 4K Max, but I hate it; 90% of the screen is advert, and you get a tiny sliver for the 5 apps it lets you see, and you have to go digging for the rest, not to mention the home-screen advertising isn't always appropriate for young children. I hadn't considered Apple TV because I've never been an Apple user, but…

Yes.

The only other one I'd seriously consider is the nVidia Shield (Pro?). But the risk with that is that it's decade old hardware with no updates in sight. It's more for the "My Plex/Jellyfin server has all the movies and TV shows ever" -crowd :)

Meanwhile my 1st gen 4k AppleTV (6-ish years old?) is chugging away perfectly and runs every single 3rd party streaming platform I need - even the local ones. As a market it's just too big to ignore.

And no ads anywhere on the front page. The top row apps get to show their stuff on the top part, but it's not "ads" in my book - unlike Google TV that just shoves full-screen crap of "YOU WANNA SEE THIS MARVEL MOVIE?!" at you no matter where you browse.

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Post by mikkupikku »

kburman wrote: post #127

My rule for modern TVs: 1. Never connect the TV panel itself to the internet. Keep it air-gapped. Treat it solely as a dumb monitor. 2. Use an Apple TV for the "smart" features. 3. Avoid Fire TV, Chromecast, or Roku. The logic is simple, Google (Chromecast) and Amazon (Fire TV) operate on the same business model as the TV manufacturers subsidized hardware in exchange for user data and ad inventory. Apple is the only…

My new rule for modern TVs is don't have a TV at all. The social role of having a TV is rapidly dwindling. First off, the number of movies and TV shows that merit even being watched is dwindling. Secondly, even if you find something worth watching, the odds that anybody else will want to watch it is small; everybody has been atomized by recommendation algorithms, everybody gets shown a different set of ads and media, there's no longer and shared culture when it comes to media. It used to be that everybody went home and watched NBC or one of the two other channels, all saw the same ads for the same movies and shows, so if you mentioned one the next day everybody knew what you were talking about. This is no longer true, if you try to bring up some Netflix show you heard of last night, probaby nobody else has heard of it. Now let's say you actually talk somebody into watching something with you despite that... What are the odds that both they and you get through the show or movie without reaching for their phone? Almost zero, in my experience.

It's done. The cultural significance of TV is toast. Our culture is too atomized, too personalized for shared experiences. Large TVs, centerpiece of the living room, are becoming an anachronism that date people as being from a previous era when television was still a shared cultural experience.

Re: Microsoft Copilot AI Comes to LG TVs, and Can't Be Deleted

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Post by theshrike79 »

UnreachableCode wrote: post #167
kburman wrote: post #127

My rule for modern TVs: 1. Never connect the TV panel itself to the internet. Keep it air-gapped. Treat it solely as a dumb monitor. 2. Use an Apple TV for the "smart" features. 3. Avoid Fire TV, Chromecast, or Roku. The logic is simple, Google (Chromecast) and Amazon (Fire TV) operate on the same business model as the TV manufacturers subsidized hardware in exchange for user data and ad inventory. Apple is the only…

What's wrong with Roku? They have a few ads here and there but I've always found the interface to be super slick. And they aren't Google, so not as harmful to share my data with? (a big assumption, I know)

"Few ads here and there" is always worse than "no ads".

Re: Microsoft Copilot AI Comes to LG TVs, and Can't Be Deleted

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Post by 1718627440 »

crote wrote: post #191
darkwater wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You also need to have a spare tire or an inflate kit, that doesn't mean you can throw it at somebody's head or spray them in the eyes. Said in another manner: having eCall doesn't mean that they are authorized to send telemetry back in non-emergency situations or use it to do any other thing unrelated to the main function. Now, if there is not a law that forbids that, car makers are going to exploit that loophole for…

The path is obvious, is it not? Having two independent cellular modems in a car is obviously silly, so it only makes sense to use the same module both for the mandatory emergency calling and for the telemetry. Because the emergency calling is mandatory, it'll of course be made impossible to disable the modem - and by extension the telemetry. Oh, you disabled the telemetry? I bet that'll be called "tampering with safe…

> Having two independent cellular modems in a car is obviously silly

They should put mandating exactly that into the law.

Re: Microsoft Copilot AI Comes to LG TVs, and Can't Be Deleted

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Post by 1718627440 »

goku12 wrote: post #89
drnick1 wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can buy a "smart TV" and keep it offline. Use it as a monitor for a PC running Linux, from which you stream from your browser or dedicated apps like VacuumTube (Youtube Leanback).

> You can buy a "smart TV" and keep it offline. For how long? Eventually, it will end up like Windows login. It won't work without an online account. In the meanwhile, they will soft corece you into adopting it by using passive aggression. They will slow down the bootup to a crawl, unless you connect it online. Those times are already really bad - CRT monitors used to heat up faster. The ultimate point is, if you hav…

At the same time TV companies are shifting to releasing video files on websites. You simply will only buy a larger monitor/projector and access the video with your computer.

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Post by alias_neo »

isoprophlex wrote: post #193
alias_neo wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe this is what I need to do. I disconnected our living room LG TV from the internet and got a Fire Stick 4K Max, but I hate it; 90% of the screen is advert, and you get a tiny sliver for the 5 apps it lets you see, and you have to go digging for the rest, not to mention the home-screen advertising isn't always appropriate for young children. I hadn't considered Apple TV because I've never been an Apple user, but…

Happy apple tv user for > 5 years now. It has icons for the apps you want to start on the home screen. You click the icons. The apps start. It's connected to a samsung tv that's not allowed wifi access. Besides the bad and steadily worsening UX of streaming apps like Netflix, my setup itself never shows me any ads. Also the apple tv remote has a very solid, premium feel, which i like

Thank you, that's exactly what I'm after.

A quick search, suggests the latest is 3rd gen (2022), am I looking at the right device?

Re: Microsoft Copilot AI Comes to LG TVs, and Can't Be Deleted

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Post by reactordev »

dsp_person wrote: post #115
KetoManx64 wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

*If you have one that hasn't updated itself since last year.

Ya I regret updating mine. The UI both significantly slowed down, and lost the chance to root :(

I just rooted one that was updated last week. Never say never. Just search for faultmanager...

though it is a cat and mouse game

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