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Framework Raises DDR5 Memory Prices by 50% for DIY Laptops

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Re: Framework Raises DDR5 Memory Prices by 50% for DIY Laptops

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Post by hodgehog11 »

ikeashark wrote: post #137
hodgehog11 wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As always, it's the intent that matters. For the sake of argument, what if Amazon decided tomorrow that they would secure exclusive contracts with all food suppliers and then hoard all the food to starve out the people they don't want to have it? Or at least, drive up the price of food so it becomes completely unaffordable? I know people can simply grow their own food so it's a bit different, but hopefully it gets th…

But OpenAI legitimately needs HBM. Amazon in this instance doesn't need food and is doing purely to create artificial scarcity. If OpenAI were to actually not use the HBM then it could mean something.

That's the whole problem: it's unlikely that OpenAI will actually use all of that HBM. It seems probable that they are using it to create artificial scarcity for their competitors.

Re: Framework Raises DDR5 Memory Prices by 50% for DIY Laptops

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Post by hodgehog11 »

squigz wrote: post #122
hodgehog11 wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As always, it's the intent that matters. For the sake of argument, what if Amazon decided tomorrow that they would secure exclusive contracts with all food suppliers and then hoard all the food to starve out the people they don't want to have it? Or at least, drive up the price of food so it becomes completely unaffordable? I know people can simply grow their own food so it's a bit different, but hopefully it gets th…

> I know people can simply grow their own food Small thing, but this is not simple or realistic at all. How does someone in an apartment grow enough food for their family?

Yeah it would definitely still be a problem, but history shows that life finds a way. Even if everyone has to eat nothing but planted potatoes from any patch of grass that one can lay eyes on.

Re: Framework Raises DDR5 Memory Prices by 50% for DIY Laptops

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Post by unethical_ban »

ethbr1 wrote: post #184
reaperducer wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe programmers will have to start making their programs efficient again. Maybe OpenAI's RAM monopoly is what kills Electron.

1. Man creates apps 2. Browser destroys apps 3. Browser creates apps 4. AI destroys browser apps ... 5. AI eats all memory 6. Forth inherits the Earth

Well, uh... There it is.

Re: Framework Raises DDR5 Memory Prices by 50% for DIY Laptops

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Post by pratyushnair01 »

gpm wrote: post #131
SchwKatze wrote: post #81

My question is, will the ram price go down at some point or is it a point of no return?

Yes, we're just hitting the limits of current manufacturing not some fundamental limit like the availability of raw materials. Either demand will wane and the prices will go down, or manufacturing will scale up and prices will go down, eventually. That "eventually" does some work, but it's not remotely a case of "a point of no return". In fact long term this might well make RAM cheaper than it otherwise would be, bec…

Correct if I'm wrong, but without any new entrants, the market effectively cornered by a few players and high demand from data centers, how will the prices come down? Just like the GPU prices post COVID and bitcoin demand, how will there be any incentive to bring down consumer prices? The only scenario I can think of is chinese firms catch up and swoop in to corner the market.

Re: Framework Raises DDR5 Memory Prices by 50% for DIY Laptops

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Post by unethical_ban »

back_to_basics wrote: post #178
hodgehog11 wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As always, it's the intent that matters. For the sake of argument, what if Amazon decided tomorrow that they would secure exclusive contracts with all food suppliers and then hoard all the food to starve out the people they don't want to have it? Or at least, drive up the price of food so it becomes completely unaffordable? I know people can simply grow their own food so it's a bit different, but hopefully it gets th…

"As always, it's the intent that matters." That's certainly not a universal Legal Standard. If I'm harmed, but you didn't "intend" to harm me, does that nullify my Claim? Hardly.

Voluntary manslaughter, involuntary manslaughter, degrees of murder, hate crimes.

Re: Framework Raises DDR5 Memory Prices by 50% for DIY Laptops

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Post by beeflet »

wpm wrote: post #182
beeflet wrote: post #156

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a dystopian world in which computer memory is sort of expensive, god save us

Memory today Water tomorrow This is the natural consequence of letting individual psychos control more money than most world economies.

I am not convinced by this whole AI water scare. Doesn't the water just evaporate? It's not a finite resource like oil.

If the problem is that these companies are creating an externality by straining the local water supply, then maybe we should simply tax water more where appropriate? I don't think any sort of shame will be effective.

For the past decade water has been mismanaged in inefficient farming practices, like bad irrigation practices or production of alfalfa to feed foreign livestock. We also waste a ton of water on our big dumb lawns. "cooling datacenters" doesn't seem like that big of a deal.

Re: Framework Raises DDR5 Memory Prices by 50% for DIY Laptops

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Post by embedding-shape »

wtallis wrote: post #107
embedding-shape wrote: post #44

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I think maybe long-term the effect of Korean companies no longer daring to reuse old machines to produce DDR4 because of US retribution is the bigger cause of that.

Repeating this weird claim won't make it true. DDR4 isn't going to come back into fashion, even during a DRAM shortage. Demand for DDR4 can't increase meaningfully when no current-generation processors can use it, and older-generation processors aren't seeing any increase in production or sales. DDR4 is not a substitute good for the RAM that's in short supply.

> meaningfully when no current-generation processors can use it

... You don't seriously believe no one is using DDR4 today, right? Sure, they may no be developing new chipsets or whatever, but large swaths of the PC population will still be on DDR4 for the foreseeable future, especially now with these prices.

Re: Framework Raises DDR5 Memory Prices by 50% for DIY Laptops

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Post by Byron_t_Bulb »

stoltzmann wrote: post #146
Byron_t_Bulb wrote: post #103

In my opinion we are witnessing the market influences of a new type of public-private "Phoebus cartel" except at a total global scale where anti-terrorism laws require pricing businesses and individuals out of owning their own compute forcing them to rent compute from multinational hyperscaler cloud businesses who are integrated with military intelligence operations. Computing technology after all is a weapon of mass…

It certainly feels like we are being squeezed from all sides. I think the push to require ID verification for websites is also part of the plot - it all feels too coordinated, like governments all over the world have the same exact agenda to destroy our privacy. At some point you will have to verify your ID to use any computer system, and it will act just as a terminal to the cloud. I guess we will get the future tha…

Anti terrorism laws will compel society into smart cities, continuous attestation of very high confidence subject/applicant identity. It is the only way to accomplish the mission. You can see it has already happened with "Know Your Customer" rules in banking. Mobile banking adds continuous "Know Where Your Customer Is". As our digital twins are distilled from social media via age verification this adds "Know What Your Customer Has Done". Then as we interact with AI chatbots with very high confidence identity this adds "Know What Your Customer Is Thinking". The fusion of these data points will enable our digital twins to be simulated into "Is My Customer A Terrorist" and then we will all have to deal with the quality and reliability of these systems. There will also be an unprecedented opportunity to optimize banking and marketing. The only problem I see is consent of the people however this is what we have collectively decided as a society long ago with United States v. Reynolds, 345 U.S. 1 (1953) allowing the state to ultimately not require our consent or even awareness of its actions. Without having all the information it is impossible to come to any rational conclusion. We are out of the loop! Total Digitization is happening for better or for worse.

Re: Framework Raises DDR5 Memory Prices by 50% for DIY Laptops

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Post by lovich »

pmdr wrote: post #145
acephal wrote: post #49

Altman should be jailed for this. Single-handedly crashing consumer spending in an entire sector of the economy. At the very least for the reason that that was supposed to happen _after_ they had the AI in hand to supplant majority white collar labor, not before.

This is a dystopia no one really thought about. A handful of people anointed to spend borrowed money on a (so far unprofitable) quest to destabilize the world's economy, alienate the working class and make everything we've enjoyed the past 15-20 years a luxury.

No? Lots of philosophers and writers thought about the problems that happen when capital concentrates to the level that individuals can move nations.

It’s like a whole fucking genre.

What we call capitalism now is just reverting back to monarchism where the handful of rulers decide everything and we stop getting the market to be responsive to reality. Prepare for more absurd and random shortages as our betters play around with their toys

Re: Framework Raises DDR5 Memory Prices by 50% for DIY Laptops

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Post by lovich »

back_to_basics wrote: post #178
hodgehog11 wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As always, it's the intent that matters. For the sake of argument, what if Amazon decided tomorrow that they would secure exclusive contracts with all food suppliers and then hoard all the food to starve out the people they don't want to have it? Or at least, drive up the price of food so it becomes completely unaffordable? I know people can simply grow their own food so it's a bit different, but hopefully it gets th…

"As always, it's the intent that matters." That's certainly not a universal Legal Standard. If I'm harmed, but you didn't "intend" to harm me, does that nullify my Claim? Hardly.

Lack of intent doesn’t mean your claim is nullified. “Intent matters” means it’s taken into account when deciding what damages were wrought
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