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Re: Koralm Railway

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Post by spacechild1 »

jack_tripper wrote: post #154
lxgr wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't Flixbus cap their fleet to 100 km/h? I'd be surprised if that's higher than the average speed of most intercity trains. Graz–Vienna is admittedly a bit of a special case, since the railway tunnel there isn't finished yet, so I could see cars/buses being faster. (The train makes up for that in views, though ;)

>Doesn't Flixbus cap their fleet to 100 km/h? And the train is even slower than that. Let that sink in. >Graz–Vienna is admittedly a bit of a special case Special case at being ripped off when flights from London, Paris or Berlin across the continent are cheaper than trains from Graz to Vienna. >The train makes up for that in views, though ;) It really doesn't when you factor in the ticket prices. Some people who are…

> Special case at being ripped off when flights from London, Paris or Berlin across the continent are cheaper than trains from Graz to Vienna.

A "Sparschiene" ticket from Vienna to Graz typically costs between 10€ and 25€. With the Vorteilscard, a regular ticket costs 22€. (I believe the full regular price only exists to rip off tourists :)

Re: Koralm Railway

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Post by spacechild1 »

jack_tripper wrote: post #114
tomw1808 wrote: post #107

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yes, we do, e.g. flixbus. and some others I think. Haven't been traveling for a while by bus around Austria. Apples/Oranges probably, but I do know vienna bratislava has like 3-4 different companies operating the same route with similar busses at similar times with different prices. And talking about apples/oranges, let me add apples/bananas: Vienna to Budapest by train cost a lot when booking via öbb. And not a lot…

Yep, single tickets on Austrian ÖBB is not cheap at all without subscriptions or discounts. Prices are good only if you use it regularly as a commuter via a yearly subscription (Klimaticket), but for one off trips, prices are more expensive than flying.

> but for one off trips, prices are more expensive than flying.

Sparschiene tickets are very cheap. For example, Graz-Vienna (200 km) is between 10€ and 25€. How is that more expensive than flying!?

Re: Koralm Railway

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Post by jack_tripper »

spacechild1 wrote: post #189
jack_tripper wrote: post #118

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>Flixbus definitely exists in Austria, but people generally take the train, which is much faster and more comfortable. Not always true. The Graz-Vienna(Airport) trip is often quicker by flixbus than by OBB train. Trains in Austria are quite slow , often travelling at the same speed as cars on the highway or often times even slower.

When the tracks allow it, the Railjet goes over 200 km/h. Vienna-Linz only takes 1 hour, which is about twice as fast as by car. Same for the new Koralm track.

Then the tracks are shit if cars can go twice as fast on the same terrain.

Re: Koralm Railway

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Post by jack_tripper »

spacechild1 wrote: post #191
jack_tripper wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Doesn't Flixbus cap their fleet to 100 km/h? And the train is even slower than that. Let that sink in. >Graz–Vienna is admittedly a bit of a special case Special case at being ripped off when flights from London, Paris or Berlin across the continent are cheaper than trains from Graz to Vienna. >The train makes up for that in views, though ;) It really doesn't when you factor in the ticket prices. Some people who are…

> Special case at being ripped off when flights from London, Paris or Berlin across the continent are cheaper than trains from Graz to Vienna. A "Sparschiene" ticket from Vienna to Graz typically costs between 10€ and 25€. With the Vorteilscard, a regular ticket costs 22€. (I believe the full regular price only exists to rip off tourists :)

>A "Sparschiene" ticket from Vienna to Graz typically costs between 10€ and 25€.

I've never seen it below 19 Euros.

Are Austrian residents excempt from the "full regular price"?

Then it's ripping me off too not just tourists.

Actually the entire country is a ripoff.

Re: Koralm Railway

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Post by hopelite »

hopelite wrote: post #45
fzeindl wrote: post #6

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It is mostly within budget, estimated in 2005 were 5.5 billion €, total cost as of today are 5.9 billion €, the difference being largely attributed to the pandemic and later addition of sections.

Started in 1998, apparently without a budget, which came 7 years later, and was completed within…mostly…budget, but not really since it was 7% over budget. Which also begs the question; why is a railway project page on HN at all, regardless of anything else?

Is anyone going to explain what justifies the down votes or is this just Reddit tier mobbing now?

Re: Koralm Railway

#196

Post by spacechild1 »

jack_tripper wrote: post #194
spacechild1 wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Special case at being ripped off when flights from London, Paris or Berlin across the continent are cheaper than trains from Graz to Vienna. A "Sparschiene" ticket from Vienna to Graz typically costs between 10€ and 25€. With the Vorteilscard, a regular ticket costs 22€. (I believe the full regular price only exists to rip off tourists :)

>A "Sparschiene" ticket from Vienna to Graz typically costs between 10€ and 25€. I've never seen it below 19 Euros. Are Austrian residents excempt from the "full regular price"? Then it's ripping me off too not just tourists. Actually the entire country is a ripoff.

> I've never seen it below 19 Euros.

I randomly picked next Wednesday (December 17). There are several offers for 9,90€

> Are Austrian residents excempt from the "full regular price"?

No, and that would be against EU laws.

Re: Koralm Railway

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Post by spacechild1 »

jack_tripper wrote: post #193
spacechild1 wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When the tracks allow it, the Railjet goes over 200 km/h. Vienna-Linz only takes 1 hour, which is about twice as fast as by car. Same for the new Koralm track.

Then the tracks are shit if cars can go twice as fast on the same terrain.

I agree that regional trains are often painfully slow. But that's also because there are so many stops.

Vienna-Graz is mainly slow because it has to cross the Semmering mountains and the tracks date back to the K&K days. This will change with the Semmering tunnel.

Re: Koralm Railway

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Post by lcuff »

I remember reading some time ago that there is a real difficulty running passenger trains and freight trains over the same rails. With freight, you can tolerate bumps at the rail-join points, and freight tends to create such bumps because the heavy loads push the rails slightly out of place. Also, freight routes should be limited to a 2% grade, whereas 4% can be tolerated for the lighter passenger cars. Have these problems been mitigated on the Koralm Railway? Anyone know how?

Re: Koralm Railway

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Post by lxgr »

spacechild1 wrote: post #196
jack_tripper wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>A "Sparschiene" ticket from Vienna to Graz typically costs between 10€ and 25€. I've never seen it below 19 Euros. Are Austrian residents excempt from the "full regular price"? Then it's ripping me off too not just tourists. Actually the entire country is a ripoff.

> I've never seen it below 19 Euros. I randomly picked next Wednesday (December 17). There are several offers for 9,90€ > Are Austrian residents excempt from the "full regular price"? No, and that would be against EU laws.

> No, and that would be against EU laws.

"Reverse discrimination" is generally legal under EU law.

For example, EU law grants the non-EU spouses of EU citizens living in an EU country other than the EU citizen's home country much broader right than the EU citizen's home country otherwise might.

Re: Koralm Railway

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Post by jimnotgym »

sawjet wrote: post #182
jimnotgym wrote: post #171

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Serious question about hyperloop trains running in a vacuum. How do you cool the carriages?

The tunnels aren't perfect vacuums

That doesn't help me, I'm afraid. It must be low enough pressure to allow lower air resistance on the train, so must be a significant vacuum. Even if not a perfect vacuum, the carriage can presumably not exchange air with it, since the carriage is at a higher pressure. If you used aircon in the train the lower pressure air in the tunnel would be very poor at convecting heat away?
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