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DeepSeek uses banned Nvidia chips for AI model, report says

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Re: DeepSeek uses banned Nvidia chips for AI model, report says

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Don’t hate the player, hate the game.

The player has the power to change the game.

That is just not true. The referees have the power to change the game. The fans have the power to change the game. The owners and the commissioners have the power to change the game. The players have no power at all.

Re: DeepSeek uses banned Nvidia chips for AI model, report says

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> And I'm almost certain nothing will happen What realistically could happen? Nvidia is already prohibited from selling their GPUs to China, I guess if you wanted it to really stop, you'd need to prohibit Nvidia from selling GPUs in any other country but the US, and require some sort of government controlled license to be able to buy it inside the US. Neither of which sound like realistic options. So what could anyon…

License leases, this is what they can do. You log into the Nvidia Enterprise Portal and download a license file that is temporary valid (e.g. 7 days) and bound to the specific serial numbers. You transfer that file to your local license (DLS) server. It does not need to be permanently connected to the internet, but it needs to be refreshed periodically. Your local server now holds the tickets that the GPUs need to us…

This guy worked for Microsoft. I can tell.

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and their proprietary tea strains and forcing them to allow opium to be sold in their country and forcing them to give up major port cities and open up trade against their wishes Honestly whenever China gets around to getting its served-extremely-cold revenge for all the savagery committed against it in the 19th and 20th centuries, some chips are going to be the least of everyone's problems.

I think that was the British? We are just getting over hating them ourselves.

A quick read of some British press and you'll realize that the British are going through their own self-hate moment, so everyone is aligned.

This is what living in the ashes of an empire does to you.

Will come for the USA in time.

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The gamernexus point about "open one eye, close one eye" was on point here.

China instructed companies to stop using nvidia chips too...knowing fully well it'll not stop. It achieves their aim though - a strong nudge in the direction of independence.

Much of Chinese top level direction seems to be that way - indicating direction of travel and implied future threats for companies not rowing in said direction

As for the US side of the ban - that's about as sound as the war on drugs. Anyone with two brain cells to rub together knows that's futile

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Give me 1 reason why the USA, the (for now) leader of "the west", is morally superior to China?

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Oh god, it's like talking to my Dad. What is Communism?

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The gamernexus point about "open one eye, close one eye" was on point here. China instructed companies to stop using nvidia chips too...knowing fully well it'll not stop. It achieves their aim though - a strong nudge in the direction of independence. Much of Chinese top level direction seems to be that way - indicating direction of travel and implied future threats for companies not rowing in said direction As for th…

As someone who doesn't want to live in a country run by corporations, that first part of indication the direction of travel sounds like a good idea. Obviously, the companies should follow the direction set out by the nation willingly and not because of threats, but otherwise it doesn't sound like a dumb idea to try to unify people toward some goal rather than the goal being "individuals can get very, very rich and wealthy".

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I thought this was common knowledge. DeepSeek’s Wikipedia entry says that they trained all their models on Nvidia chips procured before the U.S. embargo to China on them. It wouldn’t surprise me if they continued acquiring them through, well, less than legal means. I also read somewhere (not Wikipedia) that they trained on ChatGPT, Claude, and Gemini queries, basically feeding in the output of competitor’s LLMs as tr…

Everyone trains on queries from other models, it's called distillation

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This. And it should be obvious. Drugs are banned and illegal in almost every country, yet they reach the US in vast amounts. Why would a ban on GPUs suddenly work - especially since owning a truckload of GPU is perfectly legal in most countries. Smuggling them to where the demand is, is probably easier than smuggling drugs.

Maybe criminal cartels should switch to GPU trafficking?

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