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I failed to recreate the 1996 Space Jam website with Claude

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Re: I failed to recreate the 1996 Space Jam website with Claude

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jacquesm wrote: post #123
Aurornis wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is my experience with using LLMs for complex tasks: If you're lucky they'll figure it out from a simple description, but to get most things done the way you expect requires a lot of explicit direction, test creation, iteration, and tokens. One of the keys to being productive with LLMs is learning how to recognize when it's going to take much more effort to babysit the LLM into getting the right result as opposed…

It would not be the first time that an IT services provider makes more money the worse their products perform.

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Re: I failed to recreate the 1996 Space Jam website with Claude

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Post by incr_me »

jacquesm wrote: post #179
DangitBobby wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or the original point doesn't actually hold up to basic scrutiny and is indistinguishable from straw itself.

HN has guidelines for a reason.

You're adhering to an excess of rules, methinks!

Re: I failed to recreate the 1996 Space Jam website with Claude

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Post by CognitiveLens »

whatshisface wrote: post #176
mlinsey wrote: post #151

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Certainly if a human wrote code that solved this problem, and a second human copied and tweaked it slightly for their use case, we would have a word for them. Would we use the same word if two different humans wrote code that solved two different problems, but one part of each problem was somewhat analogous to a different aspect of a third human's problem, and the third human took inspiration from those parts of both…

They key difference between plagarism and building on someone's work is whether you say, "this based on code by linsey at github.com/socialnorms" or "here, let me write that for you."

but as mlinsey suggests, what if it's influenced in small, indirect ways by 1000 different people, kind of like the way every 'original' idea from trained professionals is? There's a spectrum, and it's inaccurate to claim that Claude's responses are comparable to adapting one individual's work for another use case - that's not how LLMs operate on open-ended tasks, although they can be instructed to do that and produce reasonable-looking output.

Programmers are not expected to add an addendum to every file listing all the books, articles, and conversations they've had that have influenced the particular code solution. LLMs are trained on far more sources that influence their code suggestions, but it seems like we actually want a higher standard of attribution because they (arguably) are incapable of original thought.

Re: I failed to recreate the 1996 Space Jam website with Claude

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Post by lillesvin »

NooneAtAll3 wrote: post #73
pluc wrote: post #47

I like how the author calls a script on the internet "him".

better than using a plural for a single entity

Come on, just stop. "They" have been used to refer to singular antecedents since the 14th century. (Source: https://www.oed.com/discover/a-brief-history-of-singular-the...)

Re: I failed to recreate the 1996 Space Jam website with Claude

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Post by goneskiiiing »

jacquesm wrote: post #121
thuttinger wrote: post #66

Claude/LLMs in general are still pretty bad at the intricate details of layouts and visual things. There are a lot of problems that are easy to get right for a junior web dev but impossible for an LLM. On the other hand, I was able to write a C program that added gamma color profile support to linux compositors that don't support it (in my case Hyprland) within a few minutes! A - for me - seemingly hard task, which w…

Claude didn't write that code. Someone else did and Claude took that code without credit to the original author(s), adapted it to your use case and then presented it as its own creation to you and you accepted this. If a human did this we probably would have a word for them.

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Re: I failed to recreate the 1996 Space Jam website with Claude

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Post by fragmede »

isoprophlex wrote: post #88

I have a very weird tangential nit to pick: gendering LLMs. I swear I'm not pushing any sort of gender agenda/discussion that can be had anytime anywhere else in the current age, but to me there is something quintessentially a-gendered about the output of a computer program. Calling Claude (or GPT-5 or Gemini or my bash terminal for that matter) a "he" seems absurd to the point of hilarity. In my mind, they've always…

Sounds like the setup for a sexist comedian's routine. "Y'know, ChatGPT is totally a woman because she reminds me of my wife. She thinks it knows everything and is convinced she's right, when she's totally full of shit! And what's the deal with airline food?" Swap the gender depending on your target audience.

In other languages, chairs have a gender, along with other everyday items like scissors and it doesn't especially make logical sense, although you can squint and tell a story as why something is the gender that's been assigned. Thus making the gender of AI simply a matter"that's just how things are".

Re: I failed to recreate the 1996 Space Jam website with Claude

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Post by zahlman »

jazzyjackson wrote: post #182
crawshaw wrote: post #158

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This does not appear to be true. Six months ago I created a small programming language. I had LLMs write hundreds of small programs in the language, using the parser, interpreter, and my spec as a guide for the language. The vast majority of these programs were either very close or exactly what I wanted. No prior source existed for the programming language because I created it whole cloth days earlier.

Obviously you accidentally recreated a language from the 70s :P (I created a template language for JSON and added branching and conditionals and realized I had a whole programming language. Really proud of my originality until i was reading Ted Nelson's Computer Lib/Dream Machines and found out I reinvented TRAC, and to some extent, XSLT. Anyway LLMs are very good at reasoning about it because it can be constrained b…

FWIW, I think a JSON-based XSLT-like thing sounds far more enjoyable to use than actual XSLT, so I'd encourage you to show it off.

Re: I failed to recreate the 1996 Space Jam website with Claude

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Post by manlymuppet »

Couldn’t you just feed Claude all the raw, inspect element HTML from the website and have it “decrypt” that?

The entire website is fairly small so this seems feasible.

Usually there’s a big difference between a website’s final code and its source code because of post processing but that seems like a totally solvable Claude problem.

Sure LLMs aren’t great with images, but it’s not like the person who originally wrote the Space Jam website was meticulously messing around with positioning from a reference image to create a circular orbit — they just used the tools they had to create an acceptable result. Claude can do the same.

Perhaps the best method is to re-create, rather than replicate the design.

Re: I failed to recreate the 1996 Space Jam website with Claude

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Post by sarchertech »

CognitiveLens wrote: post #194
whatshisface wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They key difference between plagarism and building on someone's work is whether you say, "this based on code by linsey at github.com/socialnorms" or "here, let me write that for you."

but as mlinsey suggests, what if it's influenced in small, indirect ways by 1000 different people, kind of like the way every 'original' idea from trained professionals is? There's a spectrum, and it's inaccurate to claim that Claude's responses are comparable to adapting one individual's work for another use case - that's not how LLMs operate on open-ended tasks, although they can be instructed to do that and produc…

If the problem you ask it to solve has only one or a few examples, or if there are many cases of people copy pasting the solution, LLMs can and will produce code that would be called plagiarism if a human did it.
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