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Re: Jolla Phone Pre-Order

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szopin wrote: post #180
parasitid wrote: post #7

it's based on a proprietary os, which includes halium proprietary blobs. imho, linux users should focus on phones well supported by postmarketos

Libhybris not halium, and those are open, the android driver blobs are closed and it's the same on pmOS with halium? They did start open sourcing a lot of their UI components recently, so hopefully this continues, we'll see

Btw, Jolla created libhyris back in the day for the first Jolla phone in ~2013. It has been since used by other phones and comanies for various purposes when the only thing you have is a board with only Android bionic libc compiled blobs available.

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colinstrickland wrote: post #111
d3Xt3r wrote: post #40

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No, you're right. SailfishOS inherits the core of the OS from the old Maemo of Nokia N900 fame (though the UI was built from scratch I believe). I tried it back in the day on my Nexus 4 and it was buttery smooth, even with all its fancy animations and gesture-based navigation, which was way ahead of Android at the time. I always thought SailfishOS would really take off by now, given how advanced and polished it alrea…

The platform always suffered from two big architectural missteps. 1 - the native browser being an old firefox/gecko fork embedded into their own UI framework, giving a poor performance and dated compatibility quirks 2 - the android emulating runtime meant that you get again, dated , poorly performing android apps, that you're driven towards because the browser engine was so poor. these two mean you basically end up w…

The Firefox engine legacy goes back to the Maemo times - its not ideal, but what else would you use ? The web engine situation is quite bleak even on desktop Linux distros and its even worse on mobile Linux.

Re: Jolla Phone Pre-Order

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sombragris wrote: post #176
dyingkneepad wrote: post #143

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While WhatsApp is not very much used in the US, in some other countries such as Brazil it is basically the primary form of "phone" communication. It is everyone's default text, voice and video message platform. People don't ask if you have WhatsApp there, they just assume it. You talk to your Bank/Investor manager using WhatsApp. You order pizza through WhatsApp. Customer Support for services is WhatsApp bots that se…

This. Some people just don't realize how pervasive and essential WhatsApp is in some countries, mine included. I'd much rather use Signal but that's not realistic.

But isn't it a timebomb waiting to blow up eventually? Like, Meta fucks something up with it and there is nothing you can do.

IIRC South Korea used to be fully depedent on a horrendous AcriveX applet running only in Internet Explorer for all their online services, yet they eventually managed to get rid of it. It should be possible here as well.

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Telaneo wrote: post #105
nikanj wrote: post #88

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Every now and then some phone manufacturer mistakes online sentiment for actual demand and gets burned making a mini phone that won’t sell

What 5-ish inch screen phone has even been released within the past 5 years? The only ones I can think of are the Unihertz phones, and those don't get a single update after getting shoved out the door, not to mention that they're probably full of Chinese backdoors. I'd buy that exact phone in a heartbeat if it didn't have those problems, and all the other ones I've seen have similar dealbreakers.

If 5-ish includes 5.7", then the Librem 5 that I'm typing this on would qualify. It's still borderline too big for my tastes though.

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Reminder that the greenest smartphone is one you already have.

If my phone died today, I still have a company-given one that I never use. I'd just ask my org to give or sell it to me for personal use.

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nebula8804 wrote: post #163
m4rtink wrote: post #65

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I have it - Wayland, BTRFS, RPM and systemd on a phone - in 2013! Why did it not set the wolrd on fire back then ? Ruthless monopoly building on both Google and Apple side IMHO. It's a great success Jolla still exists and does its thing. :-)

>Ruthless monopoly building on both Google and Apple side IMHO. Microsoft spent a lot of money and resources trying to compete and failed. Android/Apple just started early enough and by 2012 it was too late as most consumers have decided. To enter this market you have to be truly unique or else you are just copying the competitor and why would users switch if they are happy enough? Is that really a monopoly if you ha…

Consumers decided - and Google also decided to ban manufacturers from building phones with another OS or they loose access to Google Play store and Google apps on the lucrative Android phones they also manufacture: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/07/googles-iron-grip-on...

(the article is from 2013 but was updated in 2018)

So no manufacturer that already builds Android phones will make an alternative OS phone for you - and that's effectively all of the mobile phone manufacturers given Apple makes all of the iOS devices.

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fph wrote: post #138
ramon156 wrote: post #62

> A successor to the iconic original Jolla Phone from 2013 does anyone own this 2013 version? why did it not crash the market? Also, will my banking app be supported on sailfishOS?

Same reason why Linux is not crashing the desktop market? (I have a Jolla 1 and a Jolla C sitting in a drawer, now I fully switched to Graphene OS.)

With all the latest Windows fuckups its picking up recently in the form of SteamOS and Bazzite.

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Paianni wrote: post #131
m4rtink wrote: post #98

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IIRC they were negotiating a startup funding round that failed, so they ended unexpectedly up not having enough money to run the company let alone pay for the tablet manufacturing. Even remember hearing about the manufacturers selling the units with Android by the time they secured at least some funding for the company, so there was really nothing to salvage. Or it might have just been their excuse back then - if you…

I know that the specification changed multiple times prior to launch (mostly screen related I think).

I remember they had success with a prototype on I think Mobile World Congress, even winning some price. But when they wanted to start manufacturing the screen was EoL and they had to redesign the board for a different screen. This forward pushed the delivery date, resulting in the new manufacturing start coinciding with the funding round failure.

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Post by m4rtink »

raphinou wrote: post #108

Can it be reinstalled with a standard linux (for me at the end of it's life)? That would make me buy it.

Salifish OS is already as far as you can usually get with Linux on these mobile devices - it uses Wayland, glibc, DBUS, RPM, Bash, Python, Qt, etc.

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Post by m4rtink »

tmikaeld wrote: post #169

Warning, the OS doesn’t work with many European banking apps like BankID. If it did, I’d be all over it

I would phrase it differently - many European banks choose hard dependency on proprietary technology provided by two non-EU duopolists (Apple and Google) that don't answer to anyone.

And they usually don't provide a suitable alternative, as actually secure solution based on something like a yubikey.

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