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It’s time to free JavaScript (2024)

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Re: It’s time to free JavaScript (2024)

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Post by array_key_first »

Vinnl wrote: post #146
giancarlostoro wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am going to sound crazy, but, if Microsoft would free up TypeScript and every browser added native TypeScript features to JavaScript… and then we all just started calling it TypeScript. Maybe? Then you would see native ts files. Oracle will never give up JS. The funny thing is the number of people who confuse Java and JS.

An important feature of TypeScript is identifying problems in your code before the user runs it, i.e. before a browser even comes into play.

No runtime type safety bites people often and in unexpected ways. It should just be standardized.

Re: It’s time to free JavaScript (2024)

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Post by array_key_first »

spider-mario wrote: post #153
GoblinSlayer wrote: post #124

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For normal people Java is a short way to say JavaScript.

I have never heard anyone do that. Do “normal” people even discuss JavaScript?

I think normal people are actually aware what JS and HTML are. Most people are more tech savvy than we give them credit - or credit they might give themselves.

Re: It’s time to free JavaScript (2024)

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Post by georgeecollins »

shevy-java wrote: post #143
giancarlostoro wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am going to sound crazy, but, if Microsoft would free up TypeScript and every browser added native TypeScript features to JavaScript… and then we all just started calling it TypeScript. Maybe? Then you would see native ts files. Oracle will never give up JS. The funny thing is the number of people who confuse Java and JS.

From experience, corporations usually don't give the general public any trademarked name. I assume TypeScript is trademarked right now; and I doubt Microsoft would ever liberate this. So in this regard, the corporations act in the same manner - selfish.

If you can find the clip on you tube where he says it, it's even funnier. But sadly also true.

https://simonwillison.net

Re: It’s time to free JavaScript (2024)

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Post by linhns »

falcor84 wrote: post #22
siwatanejo wrote: post #3

I actually think that people should rather use EcmaScript name instead of JavaScript, because it's a way better name (much less confusing, given that this lang doesn't have anything to do with Java anyway). I wish Oracle started suing people to force everyone to use the better name.

But everyone already calls it JS. I think the transition would have been so much easier if the official name started with "J".

I'm impartial towards JS, but I've heard others call it JunkScript.

Re: It’s time to free JavaScript (2024)

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Post by friendzis »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #139
siwatanejo wrote: post #3

I actually think that people should rather use EcmaScript name instead of JavaScript, because it's a way better name (much less confusing, given that this lang doesn't have anything to do with Java anyway). I wish Oracle started suing people to force everyone to use the better name.

I am going to sound crazy, but, if Microsoft would free up TypeScript and every browser added native TypeScript features to JavaScript… and then we all just started calling it TypeScript. Maybe? Then you would see native ts files. Oracle will never give up JS. The funny thing is the number of people who confuse Java and JS.

For years we said bring something sane to browsers instead of trying to salvage js. At this point, though, why don't they just implement DOM bindings in wasm and make internets a better place overnight?

Re: It’s time to free JavaScript (2024)

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Post by WorldMaker »

1bpp wrote: post #182
dkersten wrote: post #25

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Just rename it to "JS" (jay-ess) and forget about having the letters stand for anything.

Would be nice if Microsoft hadn't taken JScript

Microsoft themselves have even suggested the community could take over the name JScript if they want and offered the trademark to community groups.

Re: It’s time to free JavaScript (2024)

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Post by halapro »

siwatanejo wrote: post #3

I actually think that people should rather use EcmaScript name instead of JavaScript, because it's a way better name (much less confusing, given that this lang doesn't have anything to do with Java anyway). I wish Oracle started suing people to force everyone to use the better name.

No person calls it EcmaScript. They should just call it Jay Es and be done. "JavaScript" is an ugly name too.

Re: It’s time to free JavaScript (2024)

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Post by _fat_santa »

Honest question for companies like Oracle, Google and Microsoft that own the trademark to Javascript, Go and Typescript respectively. What value does it bring to these companies to own these trademarks?

The only case I can really see is someone going off and creating another language and then proceeding to call it, Javascript, Typscript or Go and then using the same logo but I feel at that point the developer community would be pretty effective in sorting that out without getting lawyers involved.

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