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AI Is Breaking the Moral Foundation of Modern Society

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Re: AI Is Breaking the Moral Foundation of Modern Society

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Interestingly OP's idea that "AI destroys value" seems to come at least partly from the labor theory value, which Marx accepted (as most classical economists). Unfortunately, the labor theory of value is self-contradictory. If you invent a new machine that replaces human labor, it will clearly produce more value, yet human labour is reduced. So this follows that not all value can be attributed to human labor. What th…

I disagree about innovation in automation creating a contradiction in LTV. LTV states that the exchange-value of goods is determined by the socially necessary amount of labor needed to produce them. Automation only means that the socially necessary amount of labor changes, so the exchange-value changes too. Also in Marx theories exchange-value is something different than use-value, the latter being unaffected by auto…

Well, but under free market conditions, prices based on use and exchange value should equalize. So the paradox will appear, unless you have a planned economy.

Maybe Marx resolved the tension by converting the contradiction into a (wider) capitalism contradiction, and was happy with that solution. Whether it makes OP happy in the age of AI ("everything is capital and you're screwed if you don't own it"), not sure.

Re: AI Is Breaking the Moral Foundation of Modern Society

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This is an interesting take that I don't think I have come across before. Thanks. Would you happen to have any further reading material on this topic either by yourself or others?

James C. Scott’s Seeing Like a State is a useful lens here. Scott argues that modern states flattened human complexity into legible categories so they could govern: surnames, maps, censuses, standardized occupations. You lose a lot of nuance, but in theory the trade-off is that the state can then build institutions that serve the public. AI feels like a more extreme version of that flattening, but without the civic p…

Thanks I'll pick it up and finally read it. I've had it on my to-read forever but have never got around to it.

Re: AI Is Breaking the Moral Foundation of Modern Society

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Ah yes on this glorious day let us convene the committee for the meting out of free items to everyone. Ah shit someone stole them all.

Your snarkiness and cynicism doesn't debunk extrapolated long term trend predictions.

Neither does yours.

Re: AI Is Breaking the Moral Foundation of Modern Society

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we stole the promethean fire humans won't have to work again the spark of intelligence is now living in machines by the way, we still have to make small annoying interruptions to digital content to display ads, everything falls apart if we don't do that -- Something feels off in this whole idea. I think you guys are overestimating the importance of AI. It's just another commodity.

I think LLMs are just another commodity. I think AI would be something different. Emphasis on the conditional tense.

It wasn't me that muddled the terminology. I ain't going to fix it. They wanted to make those synonyms, that's what they'll get.

Re: AI Is Breaking the Moral Foundation of Modern Society

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I don't think you have a good grasp of modeling disease spread and are repeating things you read online without comprehension. Repeated exposure from multi-day protests in large groups of 3 person / sq. m. with multiple tent structures shared by people is not the same as 10,000 people climbing K2 one day at a time.

You're ignoring the fact that going outside to protest wasn't something you could just decide not to do, just like buying groceries. BLM protests and gathering indoors for fun are not equal.

You were literally forced to go protest? Interesting.
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