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Mistral 3 family of models released

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Re: Mistral 3 family of models released

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Post by ecommerceguy »

mrtksn wrote: post #151
giancarlostoro wrote: post #141

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Maybe give Perplexity a shot? It has Grok, ChatGPT, Gemini, Kimi K2, I dont think it has Mistral unfortunately.

I like perplexity actually but haven’t been using it since some time. Maybe I should give it a go :)

I use their browser called Comet for finance related research. Very nice. I use pretty much all of the main ai's, chat, deep, gem, claude - all i have found little niche use case that i'm sure will rotate at some point in an upgrade cycle. there are so many ai's i don't see the point in paying for one. I'm convinced they will need ads to survive.

excited to add mistral to the rotation!

Re: Mistral 3 family of models released

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Post by mvkel »

lowkey_ wrote: post #129
re-thc wrote: post #105

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> Open weight LLMs aren't supposed to "beat" closed models, and they never will. That isn’t their purpose. Do things ever work that way? What if Google did Open source Gemini. Would you say the same? You never know. There's never "supposed" and "purpose" like that.

Not the above poster, but: OpenAI went closed (despite open literally being in the name) once they had the advantage. Meta also is going closed now that they've caught up. Open-source makes sense to accelerate to catch up, but once ahead, closed will come back to retain advantage.

I continue to be surprised that the supposed bastion of "safe" AI, anthropic, has a record of being the least-open AI company

Re: Mistral 3 family of models released

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Post by array_key_first »

pants2 wrote: post #137
mvkel wrote: post #93

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Open weight LLMs aren't supposed to "beat" closed models, and they never will. That isn’t their purpose. Their value is as a structural check on the power of proprietary systems; they guarantee a competitive floor. They’re essential to the ecosystem, but they’re not chasing SOTA.

> Their value is as a structural check on the power of proprietary systems Unfortunately that doesn't pay the electricity bill

It kind of does, because the proprietary systems are unacceptable for many usecases because they are proprietary.

There's a lot of businesses who do not want to hand over their sensitive data to hackers, employees of their competitors, and various world governments. There's inherent risk in choosing a propreitary option, and that doesn't just go for LLMs. You can get your feet swept up from underneath you.

Re: Mistral 3 family of models released

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Post by uejfiweun »

esafak wrote: post #82
supermatt wrote: post #78

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Probably naive questions: Does that also mean that Gemini-3 (the top ranked model) loses to mistral 3 40% of the time? Does that make Gemini 1.5x better, or mistral 2/3rd as good as Gemini, or can we not quantify the difference like that?

Yes, of course.

Wow. If all the trillions only produces that small of a diff... that's shocking. That's the sort of knowledge that could pop the bubble.

Re: Mistral 3 family of models released

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Post by layer8 »

TulliusCicero wrote: post #119
lostmsu wrote: post #97

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Isn't London on an island, mr. Pedantic?

So I guess Japan isn't Asian then?

While Japan is part of Asia, and Asia is a continent, Japan is also separated from the Asian continent: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_of_Japan#Location

Re: Mistral 3 family of models released

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Post by giancarlostoro »

ecommerceguy wrote: post #191
mrtksn wrote: post #151

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I like perplexity actually but haven’t been using it since some time. Maybe I should give it a go :)

I use their browser called Comet for finance related research. Very nice. I use pretty much all of the main ai's, chat, deep, gem, claude - all i have found little niche use case that i'm sure will rotate at some point in an upgrade cycle. there are so many ai's i don't see the point in paying for one. I'm convinced they will need ads to survive. excited to add mistral to the rotation!

Oh man I use Comet nearly daily, I tried setting perplexity as my new tab page on other browsers and for some reason its not the same. I mostly use it that boring way too.

Re: Mistral 3 family of models released

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Post by lostmsu »

layer8 wrote: post #196
TulliusCicero wrote: post #119

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So I guess Japan isn't Asian then?

While Japan is part of Asia, and Asia is a continent, Japan is also separated from the Asian continent: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_of_Japan#Location

What's more interesting is that the comment you are replying to mistakenly asked me instead of asking the parent.

Re: Mistral 3 family of models released

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Post by VHRanger »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #141
mrtksn wrote: post #69

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Some time ago I canceled all my paid subscriptions to chatbots because they are interchangeable so I just rotate between Grok, ChatGPT, Gemini, Deepseek and Mistral. On the API side of things my experience is that the model behaving as expected is the greatest feature. There I also switched to Openrouter instead of paying directly so I can use whatever model fits best. The recent buzz about ad-based chatbot services…

Maybe give Perplexity a shot? It has Grok, ChatGPT, Gemini, Kimi K2, I dont think it has Mistral unfortunately.

Kagi has Mistral as well

Re: Mistral 3 family of models released

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Post by didibus »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #153
didibus wrote: post #68

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For VC don't you need a lot of capital and people with too much money? Isn't that then a chicken and egg?

> and people with too much money? No. VC’s historical capital has come from institutional investors. Pensions. Endowments. Foundations.

Interesting, is that still the case? And how is the decision to take those high risk investments made for things like pensions and such?
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