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Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by AznHisoka »

zipy124 wrote: post #151
shevy-java wrote: post #119

> This is a search tool that will only return content created before ChatGPT's first public release on November 30, 2022. The problem is that Google's search engine - but, oddly enough, ALL search engines - got worse before that already. I noticed that search engines got worse several years before 2022. So, AI further decreased the quality, but the quality had a downwards trend already, as it was. There are some atte…

Honestly the biggest failing is just SEO spam sites got too good at defeating the algorithm. The amount of bloody listicles or quora nonsense or backlink farming websties that come up in search is crazy.

For most commercial related terms, I suspect if you got rid of all “spanmy” results you would be left with almost nothing. No independent blogger is gonna write about the best credit card with travel points.

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by dncornholio »

justinclift wrote: post #124
shevy-java wrote: post #119

> This is a search tool that will only return content created before ChatGPT's first public release on November 30, 2022. The problem is that Google's search engine - but, oddly enough, ALL search engines - got worse before that already. I noticed that search engines got worse several years before 2022. So, AI further decreased the quality, but the quality had a downwards trend already, as it was. There are some atte…

Are you aware of Kagi (kagi.com)? With them, at least the AI stuff can be turned off. Membership is presently about 61k, and seems to be growing about 2k per month: https://kagi.com/stats

How does Kagi know what is AI stuff? I don't see how they can 'just turn it off'

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by oh_fiddlesticks »

varjag wrote: post #177
super256 wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yandex has the best image search, and others are years behind it. Further more Nebius has sold all group’s businesses in Russia and certain international market. They are completely divested from Russia for a 1.5 years already: https://nebius.com/newsroom/ynv-announces-successful-complet... The post you linked was posted when the divestment was already going underway, so it is at least dishonest if not malicious.

Yandex is the government approved search engine in Russia, which is impossible without the state exerting control over it. I wouldn't pay much attention to divestment, it's not how any of that works. For instance here you can learn that Yandex NV is fully controlled by a group of Russian investors: https://www.rbc.ru/business/06/03/2024/65e7a0f29a7947609ea39...

The government's where the offices of a software company are physically located exert control over them. To follow this logic to its end and apply it even handedly results in nation based NIH syndrome surely?

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by baconbrand »

graemep wrote: post #186
jwr wrote: post #163

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Whataboutism doesn't get us anywhere — saying "but what about X" (insert anything for X here) usually results in doing nothing. Some of us would rather take a stand, imperfect as it is, than just sit and do nothing. Especially in the very clear case of someone (Kagi) doing business with a country that invaded a neighboring country for no reason, and keeps killing people there.

Why this particular stand? Is doing nothing any better than taking what are essentially random stands? Obviously if you are Ukrainian this will be an important stand to you, but otherwise doing things based on a mix of what the media you like focuses on or whatever is not really very different from doing nothing.

Doing something is literally the opposite of doing nothing. This is complete gibberish.

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by kortilla »

_heimdall wrote: post #182
cluckindan wrote: post #173

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I wouldn’t trust a divorce where one party still provides for the other.

You don't "trust" a divorce is alimony was part of the settlement?

Yep, when the party paying can decide not to pay and there are no teeth to extract payment, that gives immense power to the payer.

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by kortilla »

eirini1 wrote: post #149
amelius wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Be aware of: https://www.reddit.com/r/SearchKagi/comments/1gvlqhm/disappo...

I don't agree with this logic. It implies that people who use Google, Bing and a million other products made by US-based companies are supportive of the huge amount of attrocities commited or aided by the United States. Or other countries. It feels very odd to single out Russia's invasion of Ukraine but to minimize the Israeli genocide of palestinians in Gaza, the multiple unjust wars waged by the United States all o…

Google doesn’t censor those atrocities for the US government. That’s the key difference.

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by Ylpertnodi »

super256 wrote: post #168
amelius wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Be aware of: https://www.reddit.com/r/SearchKagi/comments/1gvlqhm/disappo...

Yandex has the best image search, and others are years behind it. Further more Nebius has sold all group’s businesses in Russia and certain international market. They are completely divested from Russia for a 1.5 years already: https://nebius.com/newsroom/ynv-announces-successful-complet... The post you linked was posted when the divestment was already going underway, so it is at least dishonest if not malicious.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42349797 (11 months ago)

https://som.yale.edu/story/2022/over-1000-companies-have-cur...

You pays your money, you takes your choice.

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by erikpukinskis »

Interesting concept. As a side benefit this would allow you to make steady progress fighting SEO slop as well, since there can be no arms race if you are ignoring new content.

You could even add options for later cutoffs… for example, you could use today’s AIs to detect yesterday’s AI slop.

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by scotty79 »

amelius wrote: post #140
justinclift wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you aware of Kagi (kagi.com)? With them, at least the AI stuff can be turned off. Membership is presently about 61k, and seems to be growing about 2k per month: https://kagi.com/stats

Be aware of: https://www.reddit.com/r/SearchKagi/comments/1gvlqhm/disappo...

> "We do not discriminate based on current geopolitical issues."

That's one way of phrasing it.

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by baconbrand »

eirini1 wrote: post #149
amelius wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Be aware of: https://www.reddit.com/r/SearchKagi/comments/1gvlqhm/disappo...

I don't agree with this logic. It implies that people who use Google, Bing and a million other products made by US-based companies are supportive of the huge amount of attrocities commited or aided by the United States. Or other countries. It feels very odd to single out Russia's invasion of Ukraine but to minimize the Israeli genocide of palestinians in Gaza, the multiple unjust wars waged by the United States all o…

It doesn’t imply any of that at all.

There certainly is a huge army of people ready to spout this sort of nonsense in response to anyone talking about doing anything.

Hard to know what percentage of these folks are trying to assuage their own guilt and what percentage are state actors. Russia and Israel are very chronically online, and it behooves us internet citizens to keep that in mind.

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