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EU Council Approves New "Chat Control" Mandate Pushing Mass Surveillance

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Re: EU Council Approves New "Chat Control" Mandate Pushing Mass Surveillance

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Post by energy123 »

petcat wrote: post #81
sillyfluke wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess it never hurts to try and find alternate ways of placating the US in order to make them get over their Greenland obession.

I don't care about Greenland one way or another, but I find it funny that the Europeans are so visibly upset about this when the Danish took the territory without permission themselves and are now crying that an even bigger thief might want to come take it from them.

Meanwhile they turn a blind eye to Turkey taking Cyprus because they need Turkey on side for the migration crisis and Ukraine.

Everyone operates on self-interest but not everyone is smug about it.

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Post by hnarn »

pfdietz wrote: post #187

Europe is no longer a place that should be considered ideologically compatible with the United States. At best neutral. The US should abandon NATO and downgrade relations with the continent.

You can’t seriously be proposing that the United States respects the privacy of its citizens more.

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Post by cryptonym »

pfdietz wrote: post #187

Europe is no longer a place that should be considered ideologically compatible with the United States. At best neutral. The US should abandon NATO and downgrade relations with the continent.

It's all relying on US tech and there is strong lobbying coming from the US for such solution. US has already deployed mass surveillance, major difference is they did it without telling citizens.

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Post by pfdietz »

hnarn wrote: post #192
pfdietz wrote: post #187

Europe is no longer a place that should be considered ideologically compatible with the United States. At best neutral. The US should abandon NATO and downgrade relations with the continent.

You can’t seriously be proposing that the United States respects the privacy of its citizens more.

We have constitutional barriers that would obstruct something like this.

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Post by wongarsu »

Am4TIfIsER0ppos wrote: post #188
GeoAtreides wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was making a joke (and referencing a book); that being said, you're wrong, no unelected politicians are ruling for me or any other european citizen.

Which politicians ran on a platform of "we are going to spy on you"? I guess all of them do.

"unelected politicians" and "politicians that do things outside their campaign promises" are very different claims

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Post by crimsonnoodle58 »

lifestyleguru wrote: post #27

Suddenly it has become normal to scan face in 3D, nonchalantly demand copy of ID and passport, freeze people's money and demand full financial statement arbitrarily. Not only there is no push back but things are becoming more and more restrictive. Authorities and banks avalanche everyone within their reach over all available communication channels with "warnings" about scams and frauds. What direction are they aiming…

Yes I experienced this with FastSpring. Had a store with them for 15+ years, then suddenly they froze it and demanded all of the above. Was quite disturbing to say the least.

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Post by yyyk »

cbeach wrote: post #17
iLoveOncall wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are a fool if you think the UK is better. I've moved from the EU to the UK and it is worse in every way when it comes to authoritarian measures. I'm not sure how you can have already forgotten the fact that we have to upload or face or ID to access websites.

In the UK we've had an authoritarian Conservative government for 14 years, followed by an even more authoritarian Labour government, which we'll have until 2029. In 2029 it's likely we'll have a more libertarian government: https://www.politico.eu/europe-poll-of-polls/united-kingdom/... Reform will repeal some of the awful legislation that's been passed over the last few years (e.g. Online Safety Act). They've been l…

3-4 years is political eternity.

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Post by WinstonSmith84 »

genericacct wrote: post #149
piker wrote: post #6

Even living nearby in the UK it blows my mind how quickly the EU proposes, kills and then revives and passes controversial legislation in such a short timeframe.

TFA mentions "european governments" but this legislation is proposed by a bunch of european members of parliament who in no way represent any governments and much less the commission or the union. In short it tries to depict a group of old farts as an overreaching snooping authority. I wonder who could have a vested interest in depicting the EU as a repressive regime...

> this legislation is proposed by a bunch of european members of parliament who in no way represent any governments and much less the commission

Well, here is the guy from where that comes from, the minister of justice of Denmark. He certainly represents a good part of Denmark, even though he may be irrelevant to any other EU country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Hummelgaard

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Post by stackedinserter »

casenmgreen wrote: post #141

Seems to me this is a kind of advanced persistent threat. You defeat them one day, but they're still there, and they keep trying, day after day after day.

This is "Red Queen" concept, constant battle between society and state (Leviathan).

State always drives towards despotism and total control, society always drives to anarchy, and when there's balance, then you have Switzerland, otherwise slide towards Somali or Russia.

https://news.mit.edu/2019/narrow-corridor-acemoglu-liberty-0...

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Post by squigz »

VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #130
squigz wrote: post #113

I'm very curious what people in this thread think is happening now Do you think Meta, Google and them are not scanning every bit of data hosted on their servers to ensure they're not hosting things they don't want to? Do you think they don't cooperate with governments to share those findings? I don't disagree that this push is silly, ineffective, and bad for democracy. We should fight it and fight for the right to pr…

This is such a weird sentiment and I see it often when talking about EU politics. Is this just how the European constituency feels? Just like beatdown citizens in a government they have no passion about and no control over?

Well I'm Canadian, so...

But going off what I said, I acknowledged this sort of legislation is bad and that a right to privacy is needed. How do you arrive at "beatdown citizens in a government they have no passion about"?

All I did was point out the reality right now, even without this legislation.

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