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Re: Penpot: The Open-Source Figma

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Post by v3ss0n »

IseardMi wrote: post #47
v3ss0n wrote: post #14

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What i tested happned 5 months ago. if the issue exist 1 month ago too it is the same problem. The problem lies with the whole thing is XML and SVG unlike Figma's Canvas/WebASM . The whole thing is unable to scale.

They are actually working on a new canvas-based rendering engine in order to get away from using the DOM so that should help performance quite a bit. https://community.penpot.app/t/its-time-for-penpot-to-almost...

that gonna be huge effort , looking forward to that.

Re: Penpot: The Open-Source Figma

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Post by wltr »

mattkevan wrote: post #156
wltr wrote: post #87

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From the user perspective Figma is great, and I might say it’s even better. However, all that came from throwing more money into the problem, I believe. Figma just won because they invested unlimited money into this, while Sketch might be self-funding, if I’m correct here. To me this is rather ‘money is a very nice asset to have’ kind of thing.

Very different strategies. Sketch has been self-funding and sustainable from day 1. They have had 20m funding recently, but a fraction of Figma's 749m. Figma lost over 1bn in Q3 on revenues of 274m. Share price is down 70% from IPO 3 months ago. It's also clear from Figma's latest product releases - a grab bag of unfinished AI tools and a laughably shoddy website builder - that their primary audience is investors and…

Thanks for your input. Personally, I wildly agree, but I couldn’t write it better myself.

Re: Penpot: The Open-Source Figma

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Post by wltr »

b3ing wrote: post #159
wltr wrote: post #48

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The closest analogy would be Sketch for macOS, which Figma simply copied at first, and then mostly replaced. I would love to see open source Sketch for open source systems.

Sketch copied Fireworks, which Adobe abandoned after buying out Macromedia. I knew XD would fail, which is funny because Adobe had the best UI tool but didn’t know what to do with it. They still are really clueless, Animate has had hardly any updates in 13yrs, yet other animation tools offer a lot of innovative features.

As a pro user of Flash (pre-Adobe) I don’t even surprised Animate is dead. ‘Why bother renaming it?’ was my initial thought back then. I was very good at the instrument, but the instrument was so bad (imo it got even worse when Adobe bought Macromedia), that I was among those who expected the inevitable death of the instrument. I’m happily using open source instruments these days, and while not everything is as easy as it was with the Flash (here I mean rather the web, not animation as a whole), the ability to work comfortably and pick my instruments as much as I like, it makes all the difference in the world.

Re: Penpot: The Open-Source Figma

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Post by Epskampie »

supermatt wrote: post #79

I really wanted to like penpot, but when I tried a few months ago, simply navigating between pages (even on the example documents) was causing parts of the document to change in bizarre ways. I didn't want that level of risk with documents I actually cared about, so continued to use figma. I guess it's time to give it another shot. EDIT: still broken 8 months later :(

Same experience here. I tried it a few months ago and even on simple use I quickly ran into so many bugs & issues I quickly gave up. I'm willing to learn a new UI, but the tool must be reliable, and it simple was not.

Hopefully they've improved a lot recently?

Re: Penpot: The Open-Source Figma

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Post by RamblingCTO »

franga2000 wrote: post #137
seu wrote: post #44

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Came here to complain about the same. I downloaded the app, but it needs an online account. What's the whole purpose of making it open source and downloadable, if it doesn't work offline?

> built-in local instance creator

Yes, and? I quoted that part. But why do I want a full backend stack running via docker on my machine for this? That sucks.

Re: Penpot: The Open-Source Figma

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Post by franga2000 »

RamblingCTO wrote: post #195
franga2000 wrote: post #137

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> built-in local instance creator

Yes, and? I quoted that part. But why do I want a full backend stack running via docker on my machine for this? That sucks.

What exactly sucks about it? If it's integrated well enough, why do you care? If anything, it's nice to know it's sandboxed by default.

The installer could pull the images, create the stack and run migrations, then shut down. The app could then up the stack, show a loading screen that would likely be shorter than any Adobe program, then open a webview. When the last window is closed, down the stack.

You wouldn't be able to tell the difference. And what is the difference exactly? Most big apps are composed of multiple components doing IPC, it just so happens to be TCP/IP here.

Re: Penpot: The Open-Source Figma

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Post by mdtrooper »

rnewme wrote: post #172
mdtrooper wrote: post #171

Sorry (maybe fall some negative karma points to me) but I tell that Penpot remembers to me to YaCy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YaCy . When a project is awesome but the language made it is the worse (YaCy is made of in java, and PenPot Clojure).

Just for curiosity, what lang would you have picked for YaCy in 2003, and which one for the Penpot today?

For YaCy python. And Penpot typescript.

Re: Penpot: The Open-Source Figma

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Post by lejalv »

pentagrama wrote: post #175
diacritica wrote: post #164

Hi, Pablo from Penpot here. - New rendering engine should fix the performance issues. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciG0U5jJtHY (older reference https://community.penpot.app/t/its-time-for-penpot-to-almost... ) Open beta coming in the next few weeks, finally! - Our business model is Open Nitrate (see https://community.penpot.app/t/penpots-upcoming-business-mod... ). For the impatient, think of it as a reverse o…

Hi, any plans to release an installable offline desktop version with no account requirement, similar to Inkscape? That would be great.

Does a docker image work for you? once running, you connect to http://localhost:9001/ and off you go!

AFAIK, no account requirement. Download & install instructions here https://help.penpot.app/technical-guide/getting-started/dock...

Re: Penpot: The Open-Source Figma

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Post by supermatt »

ErroneousBosh wrote: post #188
supermatt wrote: post #169

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I’m not sure what you are referring to. If you mean the video link, I am in the EU and can see it.

Doesn't work in Austria, doesn't work from the UK, doesn't work from Finland.

I am physically in the EU and its working for me.

I just checked using nordVPN for Austria and Finland and it's working there too, so maybe you have some other issue going on?

I am assuming you are in the UK, as Imgur are specifically blocking the UK: https://help.imgur.com/hc/en-us/articles/41592665292443-Imgu...

Imgur isn't my site, and I don't vote in the UK, so Im not sure how you expect me to resolve that.

Re: Penpot: The Open-Source Figma

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Post by pentagrama »

lejalv wrote: post #198
pentagrama wrote: post #175

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Hi, any plans to release an installable offline desktop version with no account requirement, similar to Inkscape? That would be great.

Does a docker image work for you? once running, you connect to http://localhost:9001/ and off you go! AFAIK, no account requirement. Download & install instructions here https://help.penpot.app/technical-guide/getting-started/dock...

thank you, i will take a look, but im a designer, not a dev, im afraid that it will be much complex to me than install a .exe file
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