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Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by SanjayMehta »

quantummagic wrote: post #176
ericpruitt wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Amusingly, this post violates Zig's own code of conduct: https://ziglang.org/code-of-conduct > Examples of behavior that contribute to creating a positive environment include: > - Using welcoming and inclusive language. > - Being respectful of differing viewpoints and experiences. > - Showing empathy towards others. > - Showing appreciation for others’ work.

Codes of conduct are perfunctory virtue signalling. Do we really need a unique set of "rules" posted on every project? They all sound like they were written by the same AI bot. That said, it's telling that the Zig leader can't even follow them. The rules should just be taken down.

CoC are the HR department of open source.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by oefrha »

johnfn wrote: post #95

> it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the product have moved on to bigger and better things, with the remaining losers eager to inflict some kind of bloated, buggy JavaScript framework on us in the name of progress. > More importantly, Actions is created by monkeys This writing really does not reflect well on Zig. If you have technical issues with Github, fine: cite them. But leave ad ho…

Well at least he's being a jerk on his own blog here, so it's easy to ignore. I've seen instances of him unreasonably lashing out without the decency of understanding others' writings first on third party properties. A quick search turned up https://discourse.llvm.org/t/rfc-libc-taking-a-dependency-on... can't remember the details of other instances.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by echelon »

dboon wrote: post #190
echelon wrote: post #90

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I can't imagine being someone like Andrew, or any BDFL of a popular open source project, and having to deal with folks like this. Imagine posting a timed output of your compiler on a thread about a similar language's slow compiler and having someone cite this as bad behavior. Anyway, the clear absurdity of this particular post aside, it's not OK to call other people monkeys. I make no statement on the quality of thei…

> Imagine posting a timed output of your compiler on a thread about a similar language's slow compiler and having someone cite this as bad behavior.

That was the entirety of the contribution. It was gloating. And there is a long history of this.

There's open source contributions, and then there's this.

> Anyway, the clear absurdity of this particular post aside, it's not OK to call other people monkeys.

You don't see how the two are related?

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by sieabahlpark »

johnfn wrote: post #95

> it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the product have moved on to bigger and better things, with the remaining losers eager to inflict some kind of bloated, buggy JavaScript framework on us in the name of progress. > More importantly, Actions is created by monkeys This writing really does not reflect well on Zig. If you have technical issues with Github, fine: cite them. But leave ad ho…

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Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by dvrj101 »

notepad0x90 wrote: post #138
johnfn wrote: post #95

> it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the product have moved on to bigger and better things, with the remaining losers eager to inflict some kind of bloated, buggy JavaScript framework on us in the name of progress. > More importantly, Actions is created by monkeys This writing really does not reflect well on Zig. If you have technical issues with Github, fine: cite them. But leave ad ho…

You're right, I've been hearing lots of good things about Zig and I wanted to check it out but I'm glad I saw this post. I want no part of this thing. I've heard people call other people "monkeys" before in a work setting. it's never good. Fact is, you don't need to call anyone names or insult them. The takeaway for me is that the Zig project is led by people who are extremely immature and toxic. I simply don't trust…

> The takeaway for me is that the Zig project is led by people who are extremely immature and toxic.

immature and toxic : welcome to every big tech , you don't want part of them either, right ?

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

#196

Post by MarcelOlsz »

adrianN wrote: post #189
shridharxp wrote: post #185

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It's okay to bring some "natural" language in technical communication. It feels more humane. All the whitewashed corporate language, riddled marketing bullshit feels so soul dead.

You can express dissatisfaction and anger „naturally“ without calling people losers and monkeys.

I think it's a breath of fresh air. Don't want to be called out like this then stop fucking up.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

#197

Post by duped »

quantummagic wrote: post #176
ericpruitt wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Amusingly, this post violates Zig's own code of conduct: https://ziglang.org/code-of-conduct > Examples of behavior that contribute to creating a positive environment include: > - Using welcoming and inclusive language. > - Being respectful of differing viewpoints and experiences. > - Showing empathy towards others. > - Showing appreciation for others’ work.

Codes of conduct are perfunctory virtue signalling. Do we really need a unique set of "rules" posted on every project? They all sound like they were written by the same AI bot. That said, it's telling that the Zig leader can't even follow them. The rules should just be taken down.

It's helpful when people are being assholes to point to a document describing how they're being an asshole and to cut it out

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by skeledrew »

notepad0x90 wrote: post #157
andsoitis wrote: post #141

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> I simply don't trust any decision these people make Do you have an example or two of poor decisions that push you away so strongly?

Clearly, my distrust is based on Andrew's publicly displayed character, not an analysis of historical behavior. When you see a Chef not wash his hands after using a restroom, you should avoid eating at their restaurant, even if you have no proof they don't wash their hands in the kitchen prior to cooking. The important observation for me is that he didn't know where to draw the line, and this is regarding people he d…

Your logic doesn't really pan out here, as Zig is a fully open source project (so any backdoor would be out there for eyes to see) and so far there have been primarily good things said about it. Similarly Linus Torvalds was pretty "toxic" for years, and it never affected the quality of the Linux project negatively. And Linux essentially runs the world of tech.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by d3Xt3r »

shevy-java wrote: post #44
munchler wrote: post #26

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It’s more likely that most of them are competent professionals doing their best in an impersonal corporate environment, just like the rest of us.

Not all of us sold out to corporations. Admittedly some of those may be a bit ... unusual. Like the guy who created TempleOS.

Unfortunately, some of us are stuck in a country which is a Microsoft shop, which makes it next to impossible to get into a Linux job - especially an entry-level one (these are basically non-existent where I live). I've even considered moving to a place where Linux jobs are a thing (Europe), but that would mean learning the local language first and also already having sufficient professional Linux experience (no one would hire a foreigner for an entry level role when they could just hire a local).

So unless you've got any bright ideas, I'm stuck in this Microsoft job till someone comes up with some magical Linux roles, or I start my own Linux-based company and twiddle my thumbs because there's no customers...

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by sieabahlpark »

nromiun wrote: post #139

So much vague outrage over nothing. That CI system created by so called monkeys is the one of the best free CI service in the world. Not everyone has the millions of dollars like Zig Foundation to create their own CI servers. After that they appreciate GitHub Sponsors, but say it is now a complete liability just because a project leader left. What are the actual changes? Any new rule? But no, it is now a "liability"…

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