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Re: Orion 1.0

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Post by TingPing »

aranelsurion wrote: post #185
TingPing wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn’t support the APIs ublock requires.

Huh? But I see it says "uBlock Origin" when I install it and the UI looks like what I remember from the full version. It says "Firefox" when I check the extensions page, so maybe that's where it manages to bring the full version from.

Yes it lets you do it. It doesn’t work.

https://browser.kagi.com/WebExtensions-API-Support.html

The webRequest API is key, dns is used, maybe a few more.

Looks like the macOS support has improved but iOS may never happen.

Re: Orion 1.0

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Post by esafak »

themagicteeth wrote: post #189
WesleyJohnson wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know it's just a google away, but I use Arc and I'm not in the loop on them poo-pooing on their users. Can you elaborate?

They shut down development on Arc and then started a new browser focused on AI features… then sold to Atlassian

There are worse outcomes for startups.

Re: Orion 1.0

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Post by sedatk »

chrisweekly wrote: post #179
sedatk wrote: post #156

Reportedly, current desktop OS marketshare[1] is: - 66% Windows - 18% MacOS - 3% Linux Right now, I can't try out Orion as one of the 66%. [1] https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide...

A large % of desktop Windows installations are on employer-owned/managed hardware. And the % of users who are interested in trying newer alternate browsers and/or care about privacy also skews heavily away from Windows. So it might be more rational than it first seems.

> A large % of desktop Windows installations are on employer-owned/managed hardware

What's a "large %"?

> And the % of users who are interested in trying newer alternate browsers and/or care about privacy also skews heavily away from Windows

I mean, enterprise users wouldn't try anything new of course, but I don't see the relevance to Windows. Would enterprise Mac users be any more inclined to try new things?

Re: Orion 1.0

#194

Post by rock_artist »

have_faith wrote: post #16

> Most people switch browsers for one reason: speed. Is that true? Maybe it is and I'm out of the loop but I can't remember the last time someone complained about browser speed. The bottleneck seems to be website bloat more than anything else. Would love to see this argument quantified.

I wouldn't say it's only speed. I've been Firefox for years, but eventually ended up surrendering Apple eco-system. with Apple silicon, Firefox at least then wasn't sleeping that well, and the tab sync of FF between my devices was also less than I've desired.

So performance is general is more like it... that includes not hurting my battery life.

Re: Orion 1.0

#195

Post by nwienert »

jorl17 wrote: post #125
esafak wrote: post #37

What's the bug situation? It sucked last I checked, over a year ago. Is there a way to get a useful visualization like a burndown chart out of their bug tracker? The people who have created it seem unaware that one important task of such a tracker is to reveal the big picture and help answer questions like "Is the project getting better or worse?" They should study the Github Insights tab. https://orionfeedback.org/

I've tried Orion a couple of times. I even used it as my default browser for ~3 months about two years ago. Most recently, I tried to use it again about 2 months ago, but it still had loads of bugs and, most of all, was painfully slow. The truth is, Orion being based off of WebKit comes with the obvious limitation that....it's based off of WebKit! So much slower than chrome or firefox, and plagued with decisions that…

WebKit is not slower than Chrome/FF, this is just plain wrong, they tend to trade off over the years and over the last 5 years WebKit spent much of the time on top of a significant amount of the benchmarks people care about.

It's also by far the most resource efficient, especially on Mac, though Chrome invested heavily more recently to close the gap.

Overall in terms of "feel", Safari is hands down the best browser in terms of performance.

Re: Orion 1.0

#196

Post by 0_gravitas »

inesranzo wrote: post #175
warkdarrior wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can't speak for OP, but open source allows the community to check for spyware inserted to exfil data to the company and its partners.

Why would and what incentive does Kagi have to put 'spyware' in a browser?

??? why does any company do it? Money?

Re: Orion 1.0

#198

Post by data-ottawa »

rdg1991 wrote: post #61

I love Orion, but it's pretty unusable with 1Password set up - delay on keyboard input is unbearable with the extension enabled and it slows everything down significantly. I just ran a few benchmarks with BrowserBench Speedometer: 1Password extension disabled: 17 1Password extension enabled: 10 (and the test takes much longer) Vivaldi with extension enabled: 25 I really, really want to move back to Orion as my daily…

I feel the same. It was very difficult to log in to websites, and I struggled with their own autofill overlay. The issue was much much worse on iPad.

I did file bugs for issues I came across, and I'll try it again if I hear this is addressed.

Re: Orion 1.0

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Post by inesranzo »

0_gravitas wrote: post #196
inesranzo wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would and what incentive does Kagi have to put 'spyware' in a browser?

??? why does any company do it? Money?

Any company?

Don't you think if Kagi introduced spyware it would ruin their reputation quickly, why would Kagi want to quickly ruin that brand reputation?

The answer is that there is no incentive for 'spyware' on Orion as you can pay for Orion+ to support development.

https://kagi.com/onboarding?p=orion_plan

Re: Orion 1.0

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Post by dmix »

rock_artist wrote: post #194
have_faith wrote: post #16

> Most people switch browsers for one reason: speed. Is that true? Maybe it is and I'm out of the loop but I can't remember the last time someone complained about browser speed. The bottleneck seems to be website bloat more than anything else. Would love to see this argument quantified.

I wouldn't say it's only speed. I've been Firefox for years, but eventually ended up surrendering Apple eco-system. with Apple silicon, Firefox at least then wasn't sleeping that well, and the tab sync of FF between my devices was also less than I've desired. So performance is general is more like it... that includes not hurting my battery life.

I've used all 3 browsers (chrome/safari/ff) daily doing web dev for years now and I'm convinced Safari just feels faster as a cohesive Mac app, with the animations and what not, but isn't in general when using the internet day-to-day. FF is little different than Chrome/Safari.

Also as a dev Safari is becoming the new IE. I've had a whole suite of Safari-only bugs in the past 2yrs and lots of browser crash reports from users.

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