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AI is a front for consolidation of resources and power

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Re: AI is a front for consolidation of resources and power

#191

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Your reasoning would be fine if there were a clear distinction, like between a microwave and a grill. What we actually have is a physical system (the brain) that somehow implements what we know as the only approximation of general intelligence and artificial systems of various architectures (mostly transformers) that are intended to capture the essence of general intelligence. We are not at the microwave and the gril…

There was a lot of hubris around microwaves. I remember a lot of images of full chickens being roasted in them. I've never once seen that "in the wild" as it were. They are good for reheating something that was produced earlier. Hey the metaphor is even better than I thought!

they did invent the combi oven, which while not a microwave is capable of most of its duties along with roasting a chicken :)

Re: AI is a front for consolidation of resources and power

#192

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I'm a SWE, DBA, SysAdmin, I work up and down the stack as needed. I'm not using LLMs at all. I really haven't tried them. I'm waiting for the dust to settle and clear "best practices" to emerge. I am sure that these tools are here to stay but I am also confident they are not in their final form today. I've seen too many hype trains in my career to still be jumping on them at the first stop.

It's time to jump on the train. I'm a cranky, old, embedded SWE and claude 4.5 is changing how I work. Before that I laughed off LLMs. They were trash. Claude still has issues, but damn, I think if I don't integrate it into my workflow I'll be out of work or relegated to work in QA or devops(where I'd likely be forced to use it). No, it's not going to write all your code for you. Yes your skills are still needed to d…

It's just not true, it is not ready.

Especially Claude, where if you check the forums everyone is complaining that it's gone stupid the last few months.

Claude's code is all over the place, and if you can't see that and are putting it's code into production I pity your colleagues.

Try stopping. Honestly, just try. Just use claude as a super search engine. Though right now ChatGPT is better.

You won't see any drop in productivity.

Re: AI is a front for consolidation of resources and power

#193

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I've been using Google ADK to create custom agents (fantastic SDK). With subagents and A2A generally, you should be able to hook any of them into your preferred agentic interface

I’m struggling to see how somebody who’s looking for inspiration in using agents in their coding workflow would glean any value from this comment.

They asked about custom Agents, ADK is for building custom agents

(Agent SDK, not android)

Re: AI is a front for consolidation of resources and power

#194

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Your reasoning would be fine if there were a clear distinction, like between a microwave and a grill. What we actually have is a physical system (the brain) that somehow implements what we know as the only approximation of general intelligence and artificial systems of various architectures (mostly transformers) that are intended to capture the essence of general intelligence. We are not at the microwave and the gril…

There was a lot of hubris around microwaves. I remember a lot of images of full chickens being roasted in them. I've never once seen that "in the wild" as it were. They are good for reheating something that was produced earlier. Hey the metaphor is even better than I thought!

Then you don't know about RLVR.

Re: AI is a front for consolidation of resources and power

#195

“As a designer…” IMHO the bleeding edge of what’s working well with LLMs is within software engineering because we’re building for ourselves, first. Claude code is incredible. Where I work, there are an incredible number of custom agents that integrate with our internal tooling. Many make me very productive and are worthwhile. I find it hard to buy in to opinions of non-SWE on the uselessness of AI solely because I t…

I'm a SWE, DBA, SysAdmin, I work up and down the stack as needed. I'm not using LLMs at all. I really haven't tried them. I'm waiting for the dust to settle and clear "best practices" to emerge. I am sure that these tools are here to stay but I am also confident they are not in their final form today. I've seen too many hype trains in my career to still be jumping on them at the first stop.

Right now I see "use AI" to be in the same phase as "add Radium" was shortly after Curie's discovery. A vial of magic pixie dust to sprinkle on things, laden with hidden dangers very few yet understand. But I also keep in mind that radioactivity truly transformed some very unexpected fields.[ß]

AI and LLMs are tools. The best tools tend to be highly focused in their application. I expect AI to eventually find its way to various specific tool uses, but I have no crystal ball to predict what those tools might be or where they will surface. Although I have to say that I have seen, earlier this week, the first genuinely interesting use-case for AI-powered code generation.

A very senior engineer (think: ~40 years of hands-on experience) had joined a company and was frustrated by lack of integration tests. Unit tests, yes. E2E test suite, yes. Nothing in between. So he wrote a piece of machinery to automatically test integration between a selected number of interacting components, and eventually was happy with the result. But since that was only a small portion of the stack, he would have had to then replicate that body of work for a whole lot of other pieces - and thought "I could make AI repeat this chore".

The end result is a set of very specific prompts, constraints, requirements, instructions, and sequences of logical steps that tell one advanced model what to do. One of the instructions is along the lines of "use this body of work I wrote $OVER_THERE as a reference". That the model is building iteratively a set of tests that self-validate the progress certainly helps. The curious insight in the workflow is that once the model has finished, he then points the generated body of work to another advanced model from a different vendor, and has that do an automated code review, again using his original work as a reference material. And then feeds that back to the first model to fix things.

That means that he still has to do the final review of the results, and tweak/polish parts where the two-headed AI went off the rails. But overall the approach saves quite a lot of time and actually scales pretty much linearly to the size of the codebase and stack depth. To quote his presentation note, "this way AI works as a highly productive junior that can follow good instructions, not as a misguided oracle that comes up with inventive reinterpretations."

He made modern AI repeat his effort, but crucially he had had to do the work at least once to know precisely what constraints would apply. I suspect that eventually we'll be seeing more of these increasingly sophisticated but very narrowly tailored tooling use cases to pop up. The best tools are after all focused, even surgical.

ß: Who could have predicted in 1900 that radioactive compounds would change fields ranging from medicine to food storage?

Re: AI is a front for consolidation of resources and power

#196
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I agree with everyone else, where is the Microsoft Office competitor created by 2 geeks in a garage with Claude Code? Where is the Exchange replacement created by a company of 20 people? There are many really lucrative markets that need a fresh approach, and AI doesn't seem to have caused a huge explosion of new software created by upstarts. Or am I missing something? Where are the consumer facing software apps devel…

> Office…Exchange The challenge in competing with these products is not code. The challenge competing in lucrative markets that need a fresh approach is also generally not code. So I’m not sure that is a good metric to evaluate LLMs for code generation.

Ok lets ignore competing with them. When will AI just spit out a "home cooked" version of Office for me so I can toss the real thing in the trash where it belongs? One without the stuff I don't want? When will it be able to give me Word 95 running on my M4 Chip by just asking? If im going to lose my career I might as well get something that can give me any software that I could possibly want by just asking.

I can go to Wendys or I can make my own version of Wendys at home pretty easily with just a bit more time expended.

The cliff is still too high for software. I could go and write office from scratch or customize the shivers FOSS software out there but its not worth the time effort.

Re: AI is a front for consolidation of resources and power

#197

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It's time to jump on the train. I'm a cranky, old, embedded SWE and claude 4.5 is changing how I work. Before that I laughed off LLMs. They were trash. Claude still has issues, but damn, I think if I don't integrate it into my workflow I'll be out of work or relegated to work in QA or devops(where I'd likely be forced to use it). No, it's not going to write all your code for you. Yes your skills are still needed to d…

It's just not true, it is not ready. Especially Claude, where if you check the forums everyone is complaining that it's gone stupid the last few months. Claude's code is all over the place, and if you can't see that and are putting it's code into production I pity your colleagues. Try stopping. Honestly, just try. Just use claude as a super search engine. Though right now ChatGPT is better. You won't see any drop in…

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Re: AI is a front for consolidation of resources and power

#198
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"The best case scenario is that AI is just not as valuable as those who invest in it, make it, and sell it believe." This is the crux of the OP's argument, adding in that (in the meantime) the incumbents and/or bad actors will use it as a path to intensify their political and economic power. But to me the article fails to: (1) actually make the case that AI's not going to be 'valuable enough' which is a sweeping and…

10% of Meta's revenue was from AI backed scams on users, that's $16 billion. They have no intent to stop it, merely to not get caught and fined.

Re: AI is a front for consolidation of resources and power

#199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a SWE, DBA, SysAdmin, I work up and down the stack as needed. I'm not using LLMs at all. I really haven't tried them. I'm waiting for the dust to settle and clear "best practices" to emerge. I am sure that these tools are here to stay but I am also confident they are not in their final form today. I've seen too many hype trains in my career to still be jumping on them at the first stop.

It's time to jump on the train. I'm a cranky, old, embedded SWE and claude 4.5 is changing how I work. Before that I laughed off LLMs. They were trash. Claude still has issues, but damn, I think if I don't integrate it into my workflow I'll be out of work or relegated to work in QA or devops(where I'd likely be forced to use it). No, it's not going to write all your code for you. Yes your skills are still needed to d…

The moment your code departs from typical patterns in the training set or ("agentic environment") LLMs fall over at best (i.e. can't even find the thing) or do some random nonsense at worst.

IMO LLMs are still at the point where they require significant handholding, showing what exactly to do, exactly where. Otherwise, it's constant review of random application of different random patterns, which may or may not satisfy requirements, goals and invariants.

Re: AI is a front for consolidation of resources and power

#200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's time to jump on the train. I'm a cranky, old, embedded SWE and claude 4.5 is changing how I work. Before that I laughed off LLMs. They were trash. Claude still has issues, but damn, I think if I don't integrate it into my workflow I'll be out of work or relegated to work in QA or devops(where I'd likely be forced to use it). No, it's not going to write all your code for you. Yes your skills are still needed to d…

It's just not true, it is not ready. Especially Claude, where if you check the forums everyone is complaining that it's gone stupid the last few months. Claude's code is all over the place, and if you can't see that and are putting it's code into production I pity your colleagues. Try stopping. Honestly, just try. Just use claude as a super search engine. Though right now ChatGPT is better. You won't see any drop in…

It's not about blindly accepting autogenerated code. Its using them for tooling integration.

Its like terminal autocomplete on steroids. Everything around the code is blazing fast.

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