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Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

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Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

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Post by ghaff »

GardenLetter27 wrote: post #152
godelski wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At best a digital ID has an additional attack surface and is just more accessible. You normally aren't carrying your passport with you, right? So even if lower security, the chance of that information being swiped is generally lower. Phones are pretty high profile targets, this makes them more so. I do like the idea and the convenience, but I'm definitely wary of these things too. Especially in the modern tech world…

You're ignoring the benefits though - it will help adapt more services to work online and reduce bureaucracy. Look at Germany where they outright refuse to acknowledge emails as a legal notification / correspondence so everything still gets sent as letters and fax. It's extremely slow and cumbersome. Also it will help for security as the central service can authenticate you, instead of every little hotel and bank bra…

There are a ton of things in the US that require or at least almost universally use letters for notifications.

Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

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Post by jamal-kumar »

maratc wrote: post #163
jamal-kumar wrote: post #160

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I know a guy who went to jail for that. He was in the news and everything. Banned from this country for life. Warned him that what he was doing was a stupid idea, he was even doing it for others who also got arrested...

I don't know what "that" was, and again, I had both the vaccination and the digital certificate to prove it; the system in place would not accept the real documents, so I fed it with other documents that it did accept.

Showing a QR code that belonged to someone else, like you know, the thing you said you did

Eventually in a system like that they may refine their procedures and then you get dinged essentially...

Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

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Post by ghaff »

tzs wrote: post #105
willio58 wrote: post #4

I’m still waiting for the day where 100% of state drivers licenses are supported in wallet and anyone requesting ID are required to accept them. Quite literally the only reason I have a wallet these days is for the drivers license.

Unless your state issues wimpy driver's licenses that fall apart if not kept in a wallet why bother with the wallet? I just carry my driver's license, a credit card, a health insurance card, and an Orca card [1] loose in a pants pocket. [1] Stored value card for several transit agencies in the Puget Sound region of Washington.

I’d almost certainly lose one or more of them if I did that. I use a compact wallet containing no more than I need and it also gives me a place to stick the odd luggage check etc.

Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

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Post by blessedwhiskers »

quit32 wrote: post #186
jcon321 wrote: post #180

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You have no issues with handing over your cell phone to a police officer who pulls you over? I imagine you'll say "all I have to do is present an ID", but what if the officer cannot read it, so he wants to hold it? Okay you wont let him hold it, so he bends down and gets real close to your phone? You know he must verify the address against his database, so you're going to make him write down your address as he walks…

Places that support Apple's digital ID / Wallet state ID do so by utilizing a an identity reader that the user taps their phone against after selecting which info they want to convey. It is not meant for the owner to physically show the phone to the requesting party. I'm sure this will happen in some cases especially in the interim where digital ID is technically not accepted but the person doesn't have their physica…

That assumes every LEO, bodega, grocery store, etc. goes out and buys the terminals to read these things though. Assuming LEOs you encounter will never just say "sorry, my reader is broken, go ahead and unlock your phone so I can bring it back to my car and type in your info to look up your license" feels naive, especially for folks with darker skin tones.

I agree it's possible to present your ID without unlocking your phone, but is it likely?

Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

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Post by contagiousflow »

crazygringo wrote: post #171
sschueller wrote: post #144

No thank you. I am glad that the first eID vote we had on this (in Switzerland) prevented private industry from issuing IDs etc. What we have now (upcoming, after another vote) is an open source[1] non centralized eID issued by the government.[2] Although there are still some problematic points (initial issuance software is not open source and who can ask for the ID is not limited enough) the solution we have now is…

Why "no thank you"? I am very much thank you. I'm still waiting for Apple to support the driver's license from my state. It will be one less thing to carry. There are literally no downsides. My state already had me in its electronic database because I'm a driver. The TSA already has me in its electronic database. Apple already knows exactly who I am from my many credit card purchases with them. It's not taking away a…

I'm guessing you're American? It's much different when a foreign company wants to provide this service to you.

Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

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Post by close04 »

crazygringo wrote: post #171
sschueller wrote: post #144

No thank you. I am glad that the first eID vote we had on this (in Switzerland) prevented private industry from issuing IDs etc. What we have now (upcoming, after another vote) is an open source[1] non centralized eID issued by the government.[2] Although there are still some problematic points (initial issuance software is not open source and who can ask for the ID is not limited enough) the solution we have now is…

Why "no thank you"? I am very much thank you. I'm still waiting for Apple to support the driver's license from my state. It will be one less thing to carry. There are literally no downsides. My state already had me in its electronic database because I'm a driver. The TSA already has me in its electronic database. Apple already knows exactly who I am from my many credit card purchases with them. It's not taking away a…

US tech is for many Europeans what Chinese tech is for US people. Great for inconsequential things, dangerous for critical ones.

Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

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Post by mooiedingen »

The age of digitized "Slave Certificates" is upon us... As only the "Masters" that are mandated by the government extending to the UN that "Need" it for you to prove who that you are who you are assigned as at birt(In case nature was involved) for when you are already made "Artificial" it comes build in... "How dare you fill in another name than WE ASSIGNED You?!?"

In an age wherein everything is backdoored somehow voluntary or not, "You Shall still sync your digital twin!!!" So we can predict pre-crime whilst we are busy with depopulation & Migration(See press release last Bilderbergclub meeting!)

Make no mistake as 95% of countries is looking to implement this.. for it is your right as defined by the United Nations(whenever democracy needs to be declared war!) (See joint declaration of 1942)

Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

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Post by quit32 »

blessedwhiskers wrote: post #194
quit32 wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Places that support Apple's digital ID / Wallet state ID do so by utilizing a an identity reader that the user taps their phone against after selecting which info they want to convey. It is not meant for the owner to physically show the phone to the requesting party. I'm sure this will happen in some cases especially in the interim where digital ID is technically not accepted but the person doesn't have their physica…

That assumes every LEO, bodega, grocery store, etc. goes out and buys the terminals to read these things though. Assuming LEOs you encounter will never just say "sorry, my reader is broken, go ahead and unlock your phone so I can bring it back to my car and type in your info to look up your license" feels naive, especially for folks with darker skin tones. I agree it's possible to present your ID without unlocking yo…

It is likely that the reader will be implemented into a phone / tablet app so will be pretty ubiquitous eventually.

FWIW it will never technically be legal to rely on visually looking at someones phone to verify age / id bc it would be incredibly easy to fake the display and physical interaction. The only reason it can work as an ID is if it is digitally verified by a reader.

But I do agree that especially in the interim there will be cases where LEO will coerce a phone handover but I don't think this will be a long term problem since physical interaction with the phone does nothing to verify authenticity. You may as well hand them a piece of paper you printed out with your info.

Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

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Post by voxic11 »

blessedwhiskers wrote: post #194
quit32 wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Places that support Apple's digital ID / Wallet state ID do so by utilizing a an identity reader that the user taps their phone against after selecting which info they want to convey. It is not meant for the owner to physically show the phone to the requesting party. I'm sure this will happen in some cases especially in the interim where digital ID is technically not accepted but the person doesn't have their physica…

That assumes every LEO, bodega, grocery store, etc. goes out and buys the terminals to read these things though. Assuming LEOs you encounter will never just say "sorry, my reader is broken, go ahead and unlock your phone so I can bring it back to my car and type in your info to look up your license" feels naive, especially for folks with darker skin tones. I agree it's possible to present your ID without unlocking yo…

Don't hand over your physical ID either. Unless you are driving no one can make you identify yourself with a government ID.

Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

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Post by maratc »

stavros wrote: post #178
maratc wrote: post #154

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I was showing a real QR code -- that was issued to a person who wasn't me. As soon as that produced a big green checkmark on anyone's QR scanner, I was in.

Then you're hoping they won't try to match the info on the screen with the info on the paper, which is very easy to foil (just don't skip the check).

If they need to match with the info on paper it's not clear what the case for "digital id" is? If one needs to present "digital id + paper id" one can simply present the paper id as they do today.
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