it must be fake if it wanted 1k and now 4k. dont donate
Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k
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Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k
#192Earlier quoted context omitted.
but do you want it to be dependent on trillion dollar companies?
You don't need to be dependent on trillion dollar time companies to get an extremely accurate time source. Just get your own GPS receiver that supports timing output. You can get an GPS-based NTP server for pretty cheap.
I've had an inexpensive GPS antenna "puck" on my roof attached to a 2nd or 3rd gen raspberry pi inside, providing accurate time to my home for over a decade. This is a sub-$100 project and very fun.
Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k
#193I refuse to donate. Trillion dollar companies depend leech on it and yet refuse to spend money on it. Let it fail and see what happens.
Those trillion dollar companies are running a lot of public NTP server infrastructure. Here is a list of public NTP addresses from different big tech companies: https://gist.github.com/mutin-sa/eea1c396b1e610a2da1e5550d94... > Trillion dollar companies depend leech on it Are you confusing the NTP Foundation (the group asking for donations) with NTP the protocol or the NTP software itself? This donation request isn’t…
leap seconds are deprecated
Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k
#194Rather than money one can donate NTP servers to the pool. [1] It can be a fun learning exercise in setting up a stable stratum-2 time server. One can create graphs from the optional logs. Why bother? Many of the rabbit holes one could venture down in learning to set up a stable time server can also benefit application servers in terms of latency, responsiveness, learning how to get clients to share resources and so m…
Yep, I encourage everyone to do this (though don't ask an LLM, actually put effort into learning). It's easy and cheap to do. I have been running a server in the NTP pool on a Digital Ocean droplet for years now, costs me only $6 a month.
Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k
#195This was submitted with a title that doesn’t match the page and is not even accurste (Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up) is not correct. This donation page is not for the public NTP pool. It’s for the NTP Project organization and their web page. All of the angry comments from people who think NTP will stop working if the donation bar doesn’t get to $1000 are misinformed. Also note that the bar isn’t upda…
You’re right, people are plainly commenting based on the title. The goal has now mysteriously changed to a goal of $4000.
Likely the $3000 was needed to stand up a network that can handle the request load from hacker news.
Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k
#196Earlier quoted context omitted.
Those trillion dollar companies are running a lot of public NTP server infrastructure. Here is a list of public NTP addresses from different big tech companies: https://gist.github.com/mutin-sa/eea1c396b1e610a2da1e5550d94... > Trillion dollar companies depend leech on it Are you confusing the NTP Foundation (the group asking for donations) with NTP the protocol or the NTP software itself? This donation request isn’t…
leap seconds are deprecated
The deprecation isn't effective until 2035, leap seconds will still be inserted until then.
Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k
#197Rather than money one can donate NTP servers to the pool. [1] It can be a fun learning exercise in setting up a stable stratum-2 time server. One can create graphs from the optional logs. Why bother? Many of the rabbit holes one could venture down in learning to set up a stable time server can also benefit application servers in terms of latency, responsiveness, learning how to get clients to share resources and so m…
We ran a public NTP server for many years. Then, details hazy, but I think there was a UDP amplification vulnerability that was exploited which upset our transit provider so we took it down. Might be fun to try again though.
A fully-patched NTP server should be fine. A lot of tier-2 ISPs were treating their NTP servers as abandonware that never got updates, so they ended up being ripe for UDP amplification attacks, but that was a vulnerability in ancient software, not the protocol.
Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k
#198I refuse to donate. Trillion dollar companies depend leech on it and yet refuse to spend money on it. Let it fail and see what happens.
Wow. I mean, I imagine that this would be a hard thing for trillion dollar companies to somehow enshittify;
and still, I'd never put it past them to figure out something that I haven't.
I reflexively donate a little to things like this and I think everyone else should to.
Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k
#199As someone working on an NTP implementation (specifically ntpd-rs) I have to add some context to this: I do believe that donating to the Network Time Foundation is fine, but it is not required to keep the Network Time Protocol up in any way. Firstly, the most important reason the ntp.org domain name is so well known is because of the NTP pool, which is an entirely separate project (the Network Time Foundation calls i…
Here's his donation page for those curious: https://github.com/sponsors/pendulum-project
Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k
#200Meh. NTP is just an awkward less accurate frontend for GPS these days.
It's so easy to run your own NTP server. You can set up a pretty decent one using GPS PPS for like $200. My home ntp server is good for +/- 1us if you believe its ntpq stats...
This isn't like DNS. Everyone can run their own local NTP and that's fine. The only true shared infrastructure is the GPS constellation.