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OpenAI may not use lyrics without license, German court rules

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Re: OpenAI may not use lyrics without license, German court rules

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Should young adults be allowed to violate copyright and no one else? The damages caused seem far worse than an LLM being able to reproduce song lyrics. Is it simply "we like college kids" and "we hate OpenAI"? that dictates this? I'm ready, hit me with the nuance.

What damages? You can learn lyrics by listening the song.

Sounds like you agree with me.

Re: OpenAI may not use lyrics without license, German court rules

#192

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Should young adults be allowed to violate copyright and no one else? The damages caused seem far worse than an LLM being able to reproduce song lyrics. Is it simply "we like college kids" and "we hate OpenAI"? that dictates this? I'm ready, hit me with the nuance.

What damages? You can learn lyrics by listening the song.

Sometimes, sometimes not.

https://www.kissthisguy.com/

Re: OpenAI may not use lyrics without license, German court rules

#193

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All AI companies know they're breaking the law. They all have prompts effectively saying "Don't show that we broke the law!". That we continue to have tech companies consistently breaking the law and nothing happens is an indictment of our current economy.

Training on copyright is not illegal. Even in the lawsuit against anthropic it was found to be fair use. Pirating material is a violation of copyright, which some labs have done, but that has nothing to do with training AI and everything to do with piracy.

If my for profit/for sale product couldn't exist without inputting copyrighted works into it, then my product is derivative of those works. It's a pretty simple concept. No 'but human brains learn'. Humans aren't a corpo's for profit product.

'Would this product have the same value without the copyrighted works?'

If yes then it's not derivative. If no then it is.

Re: OpenAI may not use lyrics without license, German court rules

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I am torn because on one hand, fuck record companies. On the other hand, fuck AI companies torrenting, stealing and defrauding.

Yeah it is tricky in the current climate who to say “fuck you” to first. GEMA does at least represent human artists a bit. Nobody I know in music or any other creative industries has given a blanket allowance for AI companies hoovering up their artworks to then regurgitate for profit. Pirating music to hear it is one thing. Cloning it with modifications to resell is a whole other thing.

Re: OpenAI may not use lyrics without license, German court rules

#195

Copyright law continues to stifle innovation. The DMCA needs to be abolished, and we need to entirely rethink our modern economic system with respect to creative industries (including software development). The cat is not going back in the bag. We are sitting on the precipice of the greatest technological advancement in history, and rent-seeking industry titans have convinced us that we must stop this unstoppable tec…

Ah yes, give away the protection that also protects me, the small person, should I write a song, write a book, come up with a compelling software concept, come up with a way to improve food growth, should go away because it's 'rent seeking' in order to be replaced with.... rent seeking trillion dollar valuation tech companies?

Prior to the current tech bros economy one of the number one ways average people moved up to being rich in the USA was all enabled purely by the copyright/patents laws protections you want to do away with.

Re: OpenAI may not use lyrics without license, German court rules

#196

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What damages? You can learn lyrics by listening the song.

Sometimes, sometimes not. https://www.kissthisguy.com/

I'm still trying to work out the lyrics to Prisencolinensinainciusol. https://youtu.be/fU-wH8SrFro

... Alright?

Re: OpenAI may not use lyrics without license, German court rules

#197

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You can modify the output but the underlying model is always susceptible to jail breaks. A method I tried a couple months ago to reliably get it to explain to me how to cook meth step by step still works. I’m not gonna share it, you just have to take my word on this.

Why is this so problematic? You can read all this stuff in old papers and patents that are available in the web. And if you are not capable to do this you will likely not succeed with the chatgpt instructions.

I’m not saying it’s not possible to get this information elsewhere - but it’s impossible to prevent ChatGPT from telling you how to do illegal stuff; something that the model explicitly should not be able to according to its makers

Re: OpenAI may not use lyrics without license, German court rules

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post #177

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I know nuance takes the fun out of most online discussions, but there's a qualitative difference between a bunch of college kids downloading mp3's on a torrent site and a $500 billion company who's goal among other things is to become the primary access point to all things digital.

Should young adults be allowed to violate copyright and no one else? The damages caused seem far worse than an LLM being able to reproduce song lyrics. Is it simply "we like college kids" and "we hate OpenAI"? that dictates this? I'm ready, hit me with the nuance.

A young adult who pirates, is also more likely to make purchases in that industry, and has an impact that is limited.

A corporation who pirates, is more likely to pirate en masse everything that they can get their hands on, in an ongoing manner, and throw everything they can at contesting their right to do so in court.

Re: OpenAI may not use lyrics without license, German court rules

#199

Can't they just ask for copies of the lyrics they are not allowed to use and s/lyrics//g the training set? I imagine the volume of text that will be removed would be relatively miniscule.

That's not a solution for the same reason I'm not allowed to pirate unless movie studios personally ask me not to do so.

Re: OpenAI may not use lyrics without license, German court rules

#200
I would think as a matter of practice AI companies would attempt to detect long strings that appeared frequently in their corpus and dedup them out. There isn’t any value in training over and over again on the same data, and the copyright danger of being able to exactly reproduce your training set is obvious. Perhaps they did it intentionally, using the ability to reproduce copyrighted material as a way to get customers early on, knowing they would have to pay a paltry fee for it later.
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