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Re: Asus Ascent GX10

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Post by embedding-shape »

mindcrash wrote: post #129

ServeTheHome has already benchmarked the DGX Spark architecture against the (very obvious) Ryzen AI Max 395+ with 128G RAM: https://www.servethehome.com/nvidia-dgx-spark-review-the-gb1... If (and in case of Nvidia that's a big if at the moment) they get their software straight on Linux for once this piece of hardware seems to be something to keep an eye on.

> If (and in case of Nvidia that's a big if at the moment) they get their software straight on Linux for

What exactly isn't working for you? The last two/three months I've been almost exclusively doing ML work (+CUDA) with a NVIDIA card on Linux, and everything seems to work out of the box, including debugging/introspection tools and everything else I've tried. As an extra plus, everything runs much faster on Linux than the very same hardware and software does on Windows.

Re: Asus Ascent GX10

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Post by binary132 »

buildbot wrote: post #48
binary132 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I presume this is not yet in your possession. Please do let us know how it goes.

Nope not shipped/processed yet even. It was listed as in stock with a realistic number though!

somehow my brain read “bought” as “physically acquired at the store” :)

Re: Asus Ascent GX10

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Post by EnPissant »

canucker2016 wrote: post #139
mindcrash wrote: post #129

ServeTheHome has already benchmarked the DGX Spark architecture against the (very obvious) Ryzen AI Max 395+ with 128G RAM: https://www.servethehome.com/nvidia-dgx-spark-review-the-gb1... If (and in case of Nvidia that's a big if at the moment) they get their software straight on Linux for once this piece of hardware seems to be something to keep an eye on.

GMKtec, maker of the EVO-X2 mini-PC that uses a Ryzen AI Max 395+, posted a blog post with a comparison between the DGX Spark and their EVO-X2 miniPC. from https://www.gmktec.com/blog/evo-x2-vs-nvidia-dgx-spark-redef... (text taken from https://wccftech.com/forget-nvidia-dgx-spark-amd-strix-halo-... since the GMKtec table was an image, but wccftech converted to an HTML table - EDIT-reformatted to make table look nice…

This is nonsense. The NVIDIA will slightly win on all generation speed, and be _much_ faster on first token response time.

Re: Asus Ascent GX10

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Post by killerstorm »

npalli wrote: post #8

Seems this is basically DGX Spark with 1TB of disk so about $1000 bucks cheaper. DGX Spark has not been received well (at least online, Carmack saying it runs at half the spec, low memory bandwidth etc.) so perhaps this is way to reduce buyers regret, you are out only $3000 and not $4000 (with DGX Spark).

I don't understand DGX Spark hate. It's clearly not about performance (a small, low-TDP device), but ability to experiment with bigger models. I.e. a niche between 5090 and 6000 Pro, and specifically for people who want CUDA

Re: Asus Ascent GX10

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Post by joelthelion »

aseipp wrote: post #84
joelthelion wrote: post #20

"Nvidia dgx os", ugh. It would be a lot more enticing if that thing could run stock Linux.

It's just Ubuntu with precanned Nvidia software, otherwise it's a "normal" UEFI + ACPI booting machine, just like any x86 desktop. People have already installed NixOS and Fedora 43, and you can even go ahead and then install CUDA and it will work, too. (You might be able to forgo the nvidia modules and run upstream Mesa+NVK, even.) It's very different from Jetson and much more like a normal x86 desktop. The kernel is…

Thanks! So, then, they are terrible at marketing it, at least for people like me.

Re: Asus Ascent GX10

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Post by wtallis »

tgma wrote: post #186
wtallis wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The DGX Spark, Ascent GX10, and related machines have no relation to NVIDIA Grace Blackwell GB200. The chip they are based on is called GB10, and is architecturally very different from NVIDIA's datacenter solutions, in addition to being vastly smaller and less powerful. They don't have anything resembling the Grace CPU NVIDIA used in Grace Hopper and Grace Blackwell datacenter products. The CPU portion of GB10 is a M…

Where does MediaTek come into the picture? Don't they take some ARM Cortex IP directly from ARM just like MediaTek and many others?

Mediatek is in the picture because NVIDIA outsourced everything in GB10 but the GPU to Mediatek. GB10 is two chiplets, and the larger one is from Mediatek. Yes, Mediatek uses off the shelf ARM CPU core IP, but they still had to make a lot of decisions about how to implement it: how many cores, what cluster and cache arrangements, none of which resemble NVIDIA's Grace CPU.

Re: Asus Ascent GX10

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Post by tgma »

wtallis wrote: post #196
tgma wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where does MediaTek come into the picture? Don't they take some ARM Cortex IP directly from ARM just like MediaTek and many others?

Mediatek is in the picture because NVIDIA outsourced everything in GB10 but the GPU to Mediatek. GB10 is two chiplets, and the larger one is from Mediatek. Yes, Mediatek uses off the shelf ARM CPU core IP, but they still had to make a lot of decisions about how to implement it: how many cores, what cluster and cache arrangements, none of which resemble NVIDIA's Grace CPU.

Thanks for the clarification. I was surprised to learn it is not a single chip; thought they did something akin to Apple Silicon integrating some ARM cores on their main chip. Kind of disappointing: they basically asked MediaTek to build a CPU with an NV-Link I/O.

Re: Asus Ascent GX10

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Post by justinclift »

npalli wrote: post #8

Seems this is basically DGX Spark with 1TB of disk so about $1000 bucks cheaper. DGX Spark has not been received well (at least online, Carmack saying it runs at half the spec, low memory bandwidth etc.) so perhaps this is way to reduce buyers regret, you are out only $3000 and not $4000 (with DGX Spark).

Wasn't it shown that Carmack just had incorrect expectations, based upon misunderstanding the details of the GPU hardware?

From rough memory, something along the lines of "it's an RTX, not RTX Pro class of GPU" so the core layout is different from what he was basing his initial expectations upon.

Re: Asus Ascent GX10

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Post by palmotea »

cbsmith wrote: post #105
palmotea wrote: post #26

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> This bit of the FAQ was such a non-answer to their own FAQ, you really have to wonder: You don't have to wonder: I bet they're using generative AI to speed up delivery velocity.

I guess that's the kindest possible interpretation. The other interpretation is that the answer is not a good one.

> I guess that's the kindest possible interpretation. The other interpretation is that the answer is not a good one.

If they wanted to do that, they should have just omitted the question from their FAQ. An evasive answer in a FAQ is a giant footgun, because it just calls attention to the evasion.

Re: Asus Ascent GX10

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Post by cbsmith »

palmotea wrote: post #199
cbsmith wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess that's the kindest possible interpretation. The other interpretation is that the answer is not a good one.

> I guess that's the kindest possible interpretation. The other interpretation is that the answer is not a good one. If they wanted to do that, they should have just omitted the question from their FAQ. An evasive answer in a FAQ is a giant footgun, because it just calls attention to the evasion.

It's possible the FAQs were generated by one process and the answers were generated by another.
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