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Grok 4 Fast now has 2M context window

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Re: Grok 4 Fast now has 2M context window

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Post by wohoef »

gitaarik wrote: post #83
vlovich123 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> meaning it isn't tuned much for political correctness Is being tuned for right wing viewpoints the same as not being tuned for political correctness? Because there is tuning happening to a specific viewpoint: https://gizmodo.com/elon-says-hes-working-to-fix-grok-after-...

Yeah, but you can argue that the AI has been biased because of biased training data. Ultimately every AI is biased based on what you train it on and how you instruct it. I tend to use LLMs from different companies and personally compare them, and read between the lines.

The point of LLMs is that there’s nothing in between the lines.

Or do you mean to say that you are trying to find the specific bias each model has?

Re: Grok 4 Fast now has 2M context window

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Post by ramraj07 »

ronsor wrote: post #48

This post really has no reason to be flagged. I know Elon is controversial, and I have a lot of gripes with his business practices myself, but this is literally just documentation for a frontier LLM. Can we stay on topic?

Here's an on topic question: all the frontier model companies "promise" that they wont store and train on your api use if you pay for it. Who do you trust? I for sure will absolutely assume grok will just use the data I submit to train in perpetuity. Thats a scary thing for me and if anyone else does anything thats real work this should be great cause for worry if they wish to use grok.

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Post by jorvi »

mehdibl wrote: post #8

What matter is not context or the recod token/s you get. But the quality for the model. And it seem Grok pushing the wrong metrics again, after launching fast.

Grok's biggest feature is that unlike all the other premier models (yes I know about ChatGPT's new adult mode), it hasn't been lobotomized by censoring.

Re: Grok 4 Fast now has 2M context window

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Post by mg »

jarek83 wrote: post #186
mg wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That makes me wonder if we could simply test this by letting the LLM add or multiply a long list of numbers? Here is an experiment: https://www.gnod.com/search/#q=%23%20Calcuate%20the%20below%... The correct answer: Correct: 20,192,642.460942328 Here is what I got from different models on the first try: ChatGPT: 20,384,918.24 Perplexity: 20,000,000 Google: 25,167,098.4 Mistral: 200,000,000 Grok: Timed out after 300s…

Isn't that LLMs are not designed to do calculations?

Neither are humans.

Re: Grok 4 Fast now has 2M context window

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Post by cluckindan »

jarek83 wrote: post #186
mg wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That makes me wonder if we could simply test this by letting the LLM add or multiply a long list of numbers? Here is an experiment: https://www.gnod.com/search/#q=%23%20Calcuate%20the%20below%... The correct answer: Correct: 20,192,642.460942328 Here is what I got from different models on the first try: ChatGPT: 20,384,918.24 Perplexity: 20,000,000 Google: 25,167,098.4 Mistral: 200,000,000 Grok: Timed out after 300s…

Isn't that LLMs are not designed to do calculations?

They are not LMMs, after all…

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Post by bgwalter »

mehdibl wrote: post #8

What matter is not context or the recod token/s you get. But the quality for the model. And it seem Grok pushing the wrong metrics again, after launching fast.

Indeed. Free grok.com got significantly worse this week and has been on a decline since shortly after the release of Grok-4.

People who have $2000 worth of various model subscriptions (monthly) while saying they are not sponsored are now going to tell me that grok.com is a different model than Grok-4-fast-1337, but the trend is obvious.

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Post by basisword »

jorvi wrote: post #193
mehdibl wrote: post #8

What matter is not context or the recod token/s you get. But the quality for the model. And it seem Grok pushing the wrong metrics again, after launching fast.

Grok's biggest feature is that unlike all the other premier models (yes I know about ChatGPT's new adult mode), it hasn't been lobotomized by censoring.

I’ve never run into this problem. What are you asking LLM’s where you run it censoring you?

Re: Grok 4 Fast now has 2M context window

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Post by wqaatwt »

enraged_camel wrote: post #115
wqaatwt wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do see your point about how avoiding thinking hard leads to seeing virtually no difference between various somewhat nuanced topics. Oversimplifying everything, reducing complexity into simple catchphrases and extreme cognitive dissonance is what the “other” side is all about. Adopting their overall approach seems somewhat counterproductive longterm…

I recognize the nuance, I just don't think there's anything to gain from trying to understand whether Elon is a Neo-nazi or a more generic white supremacist because, practically speaking, doing so adds no value to my personal or professional life. On the other hand, if my job was to write a book about Elon, I would be compelled to dive much deeper into it.

There is if you want to understand why 20-40% of the population across a multitude of countries support people like him.

You can brand them all nazis and shut off the entire conversation. That might be the “morally righteous” thing to do (not sarcasm). What’s that point of that though? You still have to live with them in the same country and vote in same elections.

Re: Grok 4 Fast now has 2M context window

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Post by donatj »

basisword wrote: post #198
jorvi wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Grok's biggest feature is that unlike all the other premier models (yes I know about ChatGPT's new adult mode), it hasn't been lobotomized by censoring.

I’ve never run into this problem. What are you asking LLM’s where you run it censoring you?

I've run into things ChatGPT has straight up refused to talk about many times. Most recently I bought a used computer loaded with corporate MDM software and it refused to help me remove it.
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