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Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by wombatpm »

kasey_junk wrote: post #100
pizlonator wrote: post #17

This is really sad to read! Can folks who live in Chicago confirm/deny/comment on the extent to which this article gets it right? (I have no reason to believe that it's an exaggeration, but I sincerely hope that it is.)

My kids school has started doing drills with the students in what to do when ice shows up. Like they do for tornadoes. They need to because ICE is using schools as raid locations every day.

The children might be citizens, but ICE seizes them so that the immigrant parents have to show up and claim them.

Chicago schools are reporting lower attendance as a result.

We just had a case where a daycare provider was hauled out despite having her papers in order-she was subsequently released.

Priests being shot in the head with pepper balls, intentional accidents being caused by agents. And when they do something so egregious that they might face charges, they runaway to other states with vehicles and evidence.

I look forward to everyone in these organizations facing accountability. And not just the thugs on the street but the leaders first all the way to the top.

Under the auspices of civil disobedience I refer people to Beverly Hills Cop and the bananas scene. Also, Bass Pro Shops sell liquid skunk smell. It would be a shame if it were to end up in vehicles or on the outside air vents of cars. No damage, just annoying.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by defrost »

fluidcruft wrote: post #174
tptacek wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Understandable, but note that decisions like that are part of the adminstration's objectives. This isn't a Chicago policy; it's a federal targeting of Chicago for political reasons.

I don't need to make whatever is going on between Chicago and Trump my personal problem.

I understand a similar rational was often used in the later days of Weimar Republic.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by ryandrake »

msandford wrote: post #145
toomuchtodo wrote: post #53

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Tribalism, identity politics, low education and lack of respect for education and intellectualism, and late stage capitalism. A cautionary tale, for sure. People are angry, rightfully so, but at the wrong people. Thank Reagan (economics) and Gingrich (politics) for a lot of this we’re facing. Deepfriedchokes is right; we need stronger, more robust systems to protect humans from other humans, because we cannot trust t…

The Biden admin (no idea if Biden himself was involved) literally sued Texas to stop Texas from enforcing border law. This same admin also essentially redefined "asylum" to be economic asylum rather than "I'm afraid that if I go back to my country I'll be killed" which is how people typically thought of asylum. You can absolutely think that what's happening now is an overreaction, un-American, gross, illegal, and mor…

> But if you're unwilling to try and understand how it's possible that over half the country voted for someone who would enact policies that lead to what we're seeing now, you're simply not paying attention.

Anyone who's read about the history of Germany in the 1920s and 1930s should understand how it's possible. We can still feel disappointed and helpless that the same mentality is rearing its head again, especially in a country that itself sent people overseas to fight it 100 years ago.

Off and on throughout my life as an American, I thought my fellow Americans could be sometimes be described as arrogant, sometimes uninformed, sometimes overconfident, sometimes over-patriotic, sometimes selfish. But never needlessly cruel and cold-blooded like millions are today. This is new and terrible. It's absolutely sickening to walk outside in my neighborhood, look at 10 houses and think maybe 3 or 4 of them are homes to people who are OK with what is happening.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by tossacct999 »

AstroBen wrote: post #44
pizlonator wrote: post #17

This is really sad to read! Can folks who live in Chicago confirm/deny/comment on the extent to which this article gets it right? (I have no reason to believe that it's an exaggeration, but I sincerely hope that it is.)

I'm an immigrant in Chicago (fortunately not one of the racial groups they're targeting) and I follow it pretty closely - yeah it's all really happening. I saw kids get taken away in front of where I live and others just a few streets down The abuse of power there is ridiculous

> fortunately not one of the racial groups they're targeting

…yet.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by jrexilius »

pizlonator wrote: post #17

This is really sad to read! Can folks who live in Chicago confirm/deny/comment on the extent to which this article gets it right? (I have no reason to believe that it's an exaggeration, but I sincerely hope that it is.)

I live in Chicago and it is a BIG city. I've seen, in real life, none of this. But the online reports are legion. I think, like a lot of things, you can choose what reality you want to inhabit and find anecdata online to support any of it. During the Obama adminstration the right wing whackos came up with theories about black helicopters and UN camps and the rest. This may be _slightly_ more factual as the Orange Troll is more purposefully playing a media game, but I'd still take these reports with a grain of salt.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by fluidcruft »

SlightlyLeftPad wrote: post #58
tedivm wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I live in Chicago, and this article doesn't even scratch the surface of how bad it is. My wife went to the beach yesterday for 10 minutes to try and rest from the chaos and a fucking black hawk helicopter buzzed by her. They literally fly over my house daily. People, US citizens included, are literally being abducted. People have been shot and killed by masked agents. People have had their children abandoned on the s…

The media has an existential threat of having their broadcast licenses revoked so yeah that probably has a lot to do with why there’s no coverage. If the media had balls, they’d broadcast anyway, license or not.

The media also has an existential threat of being taken as seriously as Russian and Chinese media are taken by the Russian and Chinese people, respectively.

For many of us that ship sailed a few years ago.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by don_neufeld »

nemo44x wrote: post #184

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What’s your source?

“The Biden administration has also carried out the most administrative returns in at least 15 years—more than 505,000 from FY 2021 through February 2024. For comparison, nearly 685,000 migrants were administratively returned over the previous two administrations, from FY 2009 through FY 2020.”

That does not sound like a lack of enforcement to me.

Source: https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/biden-deportation-re...

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by throwaway173738 »

ssl-3 wrote: post #65
ryandrake wrote: post #4

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The problem is how many people enthusiastically voted for this madness, lawlessness and cruelty, and are still cheering it on. You can say "vote, vote, vote," and maybe it will work in 2026 or 2028, or 2030 or whenever, but the root problem is not going away: you are still surrounded by people all over the country who want this.

We must always vote. Our voter turnout for elections in the US is approximately shit. We must also do other things, too: Voting isn't the end-all, be-all solution to everything. (And that's OK; we can do more than one thing at a time.) But the absolute necessity of actually-voting is a constant, and I'm equipped with a profound amount of intolerance towards any idea that may suggest otherwise.

Yeah, the people who suggest voting doesn’t matter are either suffering from some nihilistic delusion or they’re spreading a self-serving lie.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by nullstyle »

pessimizer wrote: post #168

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Part of the problem with these degens is their attitude that downvotes mean they are over the target.

This dude is just ignorant with, near as i can tell, asmongold on your brain and breath. His mistakes aren’t worth refuting, but I’ll give them one for free : despite the claim otherwise, it is in fact possible for Americans to go south to Mexico and live, and Mexico City is itself going through somewhat of a gentrification problem by gringos from the north. Channel 5 covered it recently: https://youtu.be/Oti0eNxLxyQ?si=JJqiQ3kiO46YxDSf

We all saw ICE laughing while they pepper balled a priest in the head. No one voted for that.

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