Why is it always "ban something"? Do we have solutions other than ban everything?
Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15
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Re: Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15
#192Earlier quoted context omitted.
There were also moral panics about teenage smoking, cannabis and alcohol. There's three outcomes here, sorted from worst to best - Kid uses social media, which is bad for kid due to social media. - Kid doesn't use social media and everyone else does, which is bad for kid due to ostracism - No kids use social media, which is best for kid because they don't get ostracized. What you're saying here is to just settle for…
This is an overly simplistic, idealistic view of the world that leads to people thinking things like the OP are good and necessary. By recognizing that the world doesn't actually work this way at all—things aren't black and white, they're gray—you come to the conclusion that legislation is the worst way to solve these issues and is totally unnecessary.
That's an overly nonspecific criticism. It's more of a compliment of your own cognitive abilities rather than something tangible I can map onto my comment.
Re: Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15
#193i am thankfull for cellphoneless childhood. Wishing same thing upon my children. Worst thing about all of this is the peer pressure, if all your friends have a phone then you become an outcast, so it is a team effort from all parents.
Re: Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15
#194As long as the workarounds the kids come up with aren't more harmful than what's being banned, which is usually the case.
Re: Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15
#195Does that include YouTube?
I couldn’t tell from the article.
Re: Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15
#196I grew up without access to social media until I was 17, had my first "smartphone" at 15.
I am certain it prevented a lot of harm from me.
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#197If you trespass (as kid under 15 or guardian of said kid), do you get fined?
Re: Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15
#198Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is an overly simplistic, idealistic view of the world that leads to people thinking things like the OP are good and necessary. By recognizing that the world doesn't actually work this way at all—things aren't black and white, they're gray—you come to the conclusion that legislation is the worst way to solve these issues and is totally unnecessary.
That's an overly nonspecific criticism. It's more of a compliment of your own cognitive abilities rather than something tangible I can map onto my comment.
Name-calling now? I’ll give you the fourth option that you neglected to include:
- Kids continue to use social media despite the ban, with some using sketchy circumvention services or older friends to gain access, and with others driven to totally unsupervised social media in foreign countries and/or the dark web, with predictable results. The majority of kids rightly see the restrictions placed upon them as unreasonable and grow up with less respect for government and the law, broadly harming social trust as they enter adulthood.
Re: Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15
#199Earlier quoted context omitted.
Whether internet is covered by § 72 seems undetermined; as far as I can tell the Supreme Court hasn't made a decision on it; but considering that it considered fake SMS train tickets to be document fraud, even though the law text never explicitly mentions text messages: it seems clear that internet communication ought to be covered, if challenged. Regardless, this wouldn't run afoul of this. This is similar to restri…
> Regardless, this wouldn't run afoul of this. This is similar to restricting who can buy alcohol, based purely on age; the identification process is just digital. MitID - the Danish digital identification infrastructure - allows an service to request specific details about another purpose; such as their age or just a boolean value whether they are old enough. Essentially: the service can ask "is this user 18 or olde…
Given the track record of digitalization in Denmark, you can be rest assured this will be implemented in the worst possible way.
This is Denmark. The country who reads the EU legislation requesting the construction of a CA to avoid centralizing the system and then legally bends the rules of EU and decides it's far better to create a centralized solution. I.e., the intent is a public key cryptosystem with three bodies, the state being the CA. But no, they should hold both the CA and the Key in escrow. Oh, and then decides that the secret should be a pin such that law enforcement can break it in 10 milliseconds.
I think internet verification is at least 10 years too late. Better late than never. I just lament the fact we are going to get a bad solution to the problem.
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#200Earlier quoted context omitted.
This has to be done carefully because prohibition breeds desire and adults will absolutely try to force the attitude of 35 year olds onto 15 year olds forgetting a lot of life lessons have to be learned through experience and not just told. Everybody wants to get on the wave about how children these days are so much worse because of the new thing. And literally as long as we have recorded human writing we have adults…
> This has to be done carefully because prohibition breeds desire and adults will absolutely try to force the attitude of 35 year olds onto 15 year olds forgetting a lot of life lessons have to be learned through experience and not just told. The interesting tidbit in the case of social media and smart phones is that they are at least partially pushed by the parents (I've seen plenty of examples of parents demand tha…
Lots of bending over backwards and appeals to authority to rationalize an emotional feeling of "This time is different."
Again, every generation thinks that.
This time might be different. But it's probably not.