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ICC ditches Microsoft 365 for openDesk

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Re: ICC ditches Microsoft 365 for openDesk

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Open Desk (since the article doesn't link): https://www.opendesk.eu/en Does anyone have any experience using it?

I’d love to see pictures. I’d love to drop MS/Google docs for something I can control myself.

It seems to be just a collection of various open source components in an enterprise package with a bunch of features and integrations for companies. If you just want someone for personal use, check out Cryptpad, which is what openDesk uses for it's office component.

Re: ICC ditches Microsoft 365 for openDesk

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It's basically the "No one gets fired for buying IBM" effect. Microsoft became the default. Everyone was familiar with it, and knew it would work.

That's a very simplistic view of what Microsoft offers. They don't sell an office software package but a very robust solution for running the software side of a business. The OS, office package, email (server and client), calendar, cloud & backup, BI, etc. all aligned work almost seamlessly with each other (compared to the alternatives for sure). Nothing on the market comes close and that is the reason they are worth…

And you get it all for ~ $22/user a month, which is totally reasonable.

Re: ICC ditches Microsoft 365 for openDesk

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I wonder if this will be like Germany's rush to run Linux across their entire fed. govt and it will only last a few years. Germany gave up eventually. I wonder if the ICC will too, or if it will actually stick this time around.

I hope it sticks, but I'm not holding my breath.

Re: ICC ditches Microsoft 365 for openDesk

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It's actually not called Microsoft 365, but "the Microsoft 365 Copilot app" (not to be confused with Microsoft Copilot (a slop generator with the same logo))

It IS called Microsoft 365

No, they've renamed it due to "now with the power of AI": https://www.office.com/

Edit: and actually, just recently it was even more direct with it: https://web.archive.org/web/20251105125410/https://www.offic...

Re: ICC ditches Microsoft 365 for openDesk

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I find it fascinating to see how much power Germany's "digital sovereignty" initiative has gained. In the beginning, it looked like yet another government thingy that nobody will use. But by now, they must be well above 100k government employees using it daily. Also, in case you missed that: StackIt is the AWS / G Cloud competitor by LIDL: https://www.stackit.de/en/ It's the basebone for their app strategy with 100 m…

Every time this happens Microsoft either threatens to move out or promises to move in with a chunk of their operation. Blackmailing with jobs has been very effective for them.

Yeah but what is different now is that the US is run by unpredictable lunatics. It's not really just about Microsoft anymore.

Re: ICC ditches Microsoft 365 for openDesk

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How much do you think they should spend on IT to be independent from Microsoft (serious question) ? Wikipedia mentions they employ 800 persons working in several buildings and a detention center for a budget of 141 million USD. Microsoft O365 Business Premium per person is 22 USD per month so total per year is ~200k USD (online price, I imagine they can negotiate a bit for that amount of people).

Do you mean just the ICC ... or all government organizations in the same boat, just not necessarily realizing it yet, inside the EU?

ICC is not a government organization, is an intergovernmental organization. This will make it much harder to convince all the stakeholders and to reuse any work done somewhere else.

Many governments employ millions of people (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_public_se...) so for them the costs of having even tens of additional workers (IT, support, etc) to maintain a system will be a lower percentage from the total budget than for an organization with only 800 employees.

Re: ICC ditches Microsoft 365 for openDesk

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It seems likely the ICC will issue an arrest warrant for Trump in the coming years. I see all their recent moves as a signal they want to distance themselves from the US so they can actually issue that warrant.

There are quite a few reasons that should happen, but I won't hold my breath. And I that issuance really won't do anything worthwhile, except be a footnote in a history book.

I don’t think there is any way in hell the US is going to be welcome back on the world stage as a partner to any of their former allies again unless among many other things they put themselves under the ICCs jurisdiction.

Re: ICC ditches Microsoft 365 for openDesk

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I find it hard to compare o365 to OpenDesk. O365 is just a bag of programs using vaguely the same UX concept and openDesk is a full integrated environment. I myself changed to Nextcloud with integrated collab office and will never go back to MS

Re: ICC ditches Microsoft 365 for openDesk

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I'm all for calling him out for that, but none of that sounds like a clear-cut ICC crime.

He continuously armed the direct perpetrators of the genocide; supported them financially, with logistics, and intelligence; threatened their adversaries from getting involved; vetoed multiple UN security council resolutions that attempted to impose a ceasefire. He was a direct participant in the genocide. If you're murdering someone on the street and I am standing next to you watching your back, fighting off anyone…

Is there any precedent for the ICC prosecuting accessory to genocide?

Have they prosecuted any of the actual state parties to the Rome statute who are still providing arms to Israel?

I don’t think it’s as clear cut as you say it is.

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