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My Impressions of the MacBook Pro M4

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Re: My Impressions of the MacBook Pro M4

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Post by koiueo »

commandersaki wrote: post #166
pcdoodle wrote: post #24

We used to sell conversion kits to shoehorn a pixel qi display into the thinkpad x230. Since apple has put in 1,000nit displays on the pros, we don't bother anymore. The nano texture sold me and it performs wonderfully outdoors. I hate giving apple money but here I am.

Honestly I hate giving money to Lenovo, they're one of the worst companies I've had to deal with at least when it comes to support.

+1 to that. Simply horrendous post-purchase support. Company representatives on all levels, from a simple technician to head of Linux support department, will be lying straight in your face, just to scam a few thousands bucks out of you.

But their keyboards are still the best, and trackpoint is unmatched. As soon as System76 or Framework or any other vendor offer that, I'm giving them my money.

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Post by Onavo »

IshKebab wrote: post #61
criddell wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you are going to start making a list of expensive hobbies, $3K for a computer isn't going to be anywhere near the top of the list.

I think it actually would be quite near the top, in terms of ranking. Most hobbies are a lot cheaper. Of course, not near the top in terms of money because there are a few hobbies that cost vastly more.

Try general aviation as a hobby. It will be eye opening

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Post by bdangubic »

dylan604 wrote: post #117
IshKebab wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it actually would be quite near the top, in terms of ranking. Most hobbies are a lot cheaper. Of course, not near the top in terms of money because there are a few hobbies that cost vastly more.

Just off the top of my head in hobbies that I've been in/around that this $3k would be a nothing burger: photography, wood working, grease monkey, cycling, gun collecting, antiquing, recreational substances...

I actually can’t think of one hobby that costs less than $3k

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Post by cycomanic »

LeoPanthera wrote: post #28
rottencupcakes wrote: post #16

It's classic Apple to spend over a decade insisting that that glossy screens were the best option, and then to eventually roll out a matte screen as a "premium" feature with a bunch of marketing around it.

Historically, traditional matte screen finishes exhibited poor optical qualities by scattering ambient light, which tended to wash out colors. This scattering process also affected the light from individual pixels, causing it to refract into neighboring pixels. This reduced overall image quality and caused pixel-fine details, such as small text, to appear smeary on high-density LCDs. In contrast, well-designed glossy…

If all that is true, why do professional photography monitors pretty much exclusively have matte finishes. Same for monitor used by video, CAD or 3d professionals.

You guys need to stop reading apple advertisement material and take it for gospel just because it has some fancy scientific words in it.

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Post by azundo »

bdangubic wrote: post #193
dylan604 wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just off the top of my head in hobbies that I've been in/around that this $3k would be a nothing burger: photography, wood working, grease monkey, cycling, gun collecting, antiquing, recreational substances...

I actually can’t think of one hobby that costs less than $3k

For me the only one would be sketching/painting. But I agree with the point in general, most hobbies cost a lot.

Re: My Impressions of the MacBook Pro M4

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Post by wtallis »

ricardobeat wrote: post #111
quitit wrote: post #108

An frequently overlooked point is the display brightness. The pro models offer 1600 nits peak brightness, which makes these good units for looking at HDR content, especially if you like to take photos or edit videos. Meanwhile the Air maxes out at 500 nits, so the effect and contrast is drastically reduced for those models.

Normal content is still limited to 500 nits, and these being mini-LED displays, contrast is already infinite. Unless you’re making Instagram content, very few photographers use HDR. Everything else will look the same on both screens.

> and these being mini-LED displays, contrast is already infinite.

I think you may have mixed up mini-LED backlighting with OLED and microLED displays. mini-LED backlights merely allow for better local dimming of the backlight behind an LCD, but the number of independently variable backlight zones is still orders of magnitude smaller than the number of pixels. Over short distances, an LCD with local dimming is still susceptible to all of the contrast-limiting downsides of an LCD with a uniform static backlight (and local dimming brings new challenges of its own).

OLED is the mainstream display technology where individual pixels directly emit their own light, so you can truly have a completely black pixel next to a lit pixel. But there are still layers and coatings between the OLED and the user, so infinite contrast isn't actually achievable.

microLED is an unsuccessful technology to provide the benefits of OLED without as many of the downsides (primarily, the uneven aging). But nobody has managed to make large microLED displays economically yet, and it doesn't look like the tech will be going mainstream anytime soon.

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Post by biinjo »

asdff wrote: post #135
brailsafe wrote: post #94

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What does the purchase price have to do with it? Seems like it would entirely depend on circumstances and constraints, rather than cost, how long someone would run something

Tells me they are price insensitive and probably get a new computer every couple of years.

That reasoning does not make any sense. I spend $3-4k on a MBP and run it till it fall apart, usually 5-7 years later.

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Post by wtallis »

benoau wrote: post #144
dontlaugh wrote: post #103

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There are separate chips. But just like Strix Halo, they have to be soldered. There’s no way to reach the signal integrity required with connectors.

I've heard many people saying CAMM2 solves this.

We're still waiting to see any CAMM-style memory module show up in a mass market product at any speed, instead of merely getting press coverage where the number of articles written seems to outnumber the number of laptops actually built and shipped. But even if you are willing to take the examples thus far seriously as real products, they haven't come close to matching the speed of soldered LPDDR.

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Post by mikepurvis »

bdangubic wrote: post #193
dylan604 wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just off the top of my head in hobbies that I've been in/around that this $3k would be a nothing burger: photography, wood working, grease monkey, cycling, gun collecting, antiquing, recreational substances...

I actually can’t think of one hobby that costs less than $3k

A lot of things are cheap to taste — a second hand bike and some $200 running shoes and you’re training for a triathlon. Or a makerspace membership and you’re now sewing or doing 3d printing.

It’s once you get “serious” and need to have your own equipment that all these things get real. Or in the case of things like social dance, you want to take time off with and travel further and further away to attend pricey exchanges and camps.

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Post by zenmac »

cycomanic wrote: post #194
LeoPanthera wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Historically, traditional matte screen finishes exhibited poor optical qualities by scattering ambient light, which tended to wash out colors. This scattering process also affected the light from individual pixels, causing it to refract into neighboring pixels. This reduced overall image quality and caused pixel-fine details, such as small text, to appear smeary on high-density LCDs. In contrast, well-designed glossy…

If all that is true, why do professional photography monitors pretty much exclusively have matte finishes. Same for monitor used by video, CAD or 3d professionals. You guys need to stop reading apple advertisement material and take it for gospel just because it has some fancy scientific words in it.

Matte is always being the fancier option in Photography paper, glossy photograph just looks cheap.
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