Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

What if tariffs?

swatch.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

191–200 of 286 posts

Re: What if tariffs?

#191

Post by mrbombastic »

ponector wrote: post #185
avaika wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Their opinion of our politics is generally separate from how they treat me personally, and I do the same for people of other nationalities. That is such a sane thing to do. I was always astonished and sad how often strangers in foreign countries instantly link my origin to the actions of the people in power. As if this is completely under my control and with no doubt I support and approve whatever they do.

[flagged]

The default should be to treat people with respect and give benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise, treating people as guilty because of where they were born is always a crappy thing to do.

Re: What if tariffs?

#192

Post by exe34 »

carlosjobim wrote: post #190
exe34 wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The long-term purpose is that foreign companies start making their products in your country to avoid tariffs and be able to compete. There is no long term in the US anymore. TACO flip flops every few days, based on who he spoke to last.

Trump didn't invent tariffs.

No other country flip flops like he does - nobody will make any long term plans when they don't know if the tariffs will be there Tuesday, much less in 3.5 years. Business and investment need stability, not histrionic outbursts and foreign policy at 3am.

Re: What if tariffs?

#193

Post by brailsafe »

CoastalCoder wrote: post #109
hshdhdhj4444 wrote: post #99

It’s actually quite shocking to leave the U.S. and experience the drastic fall in respect. The U.S. has over a century’s worth of dominance and control built in, so it’s not gonna unravel anytime soon and countries will need to grovel along for a bit. But the decoupling has begun, is almost certainly irreversible and is gonna hit Americans hard at most a decade from now. We have no idea the the chain of motion that h…

> It’s actually quite shocking to leave the U.S. and experience the drastic fall in respect. My only vantage point is from inside the U.S., but I find the loss of prestige completely believable. What amazed me was discovering that my own countrymen would vote in, and continue to support, someone like Trump. My political views are pretty centrist, and I thought I understood the views of most liberals and conservatives…

> My political views are pretty centrist, and I thought I understood the views of most liberals and conservatives.

I think that effect comes from astroturfing, algorithms, and tribalism.

The only way imo that a person gets any kind of genuine small sample of the varying vibes outside their circle is to speak with randoms in different geographic regions with a sense of humility, curiosity, and friendliness, in real life.

Re: What if tariffs?

#194

Post by kelseyfrog »

mlrtime wrote: post #118
Swoerd wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And now that the U.S. has a tyrannical government, there’s no one left to stand in its way, the Second Amendment has proven to be a paper tiger.

Can you expand on what you mean exactly? I see these sentences like your littered throughout reddit, vague notions of violence/war?

It brought to mind the Four Boxes of Liberty[1]. It used to be toted out by conservatives during the gun control debates, but I haven't seen it used by anyone recently until now.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_boxes_of_liberty

Re: What if tariffs?

#195

Post by AnimalMuppet »

SlightlyLeftPad wrote: post #124
CoastalCoder wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It’s actually quite shocking to leave the U.S. and experience the drastic fall in respect. My only vantage point is from inside the U.S., but I find the loss of prestige completely believable. What amazed me was discovering that my own countrymen would vote in, and continue to support, someone like Trump. My political views are pretty centrist, and I thought I understood the views of most liberals and conservatives…

Well, we could be amazed although you seem to be jumping past another, more controversial yet still equally possible conclusion which is that our elections aren’t as pure as we’d all like to believe. Certainly, I’m not here to spread conspiracy and I agree with you here, the results are the only evidence we have of the current situation. Given that, I think many of us were amazed.

Are you saying that, under the Biden administration, there was voter fraud that threw the election to Trump? If so, given that the Biden administration would have every reason to try to prevent that, I'd like to see your evidence.

If you aren't, then what exactly are you saying?

Re: What if tariffs?

#196

Post by Freedom2 »

mrbombastic wrote: post #191
ponector wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

The default should be to treat people with respect and give benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise, treating people as guilty because of where they were born is always a crappy thing to do.

Which is a very interesting statement considering how the US is treating immigrants these days.

Re: What if tariffs?

#197

Post by sneak »

Ekaros wrote: post #114
croisillon wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it's thanks to the lying that he was elected in the first place, and no one around him dares to contradict him, what would be the incentives to stop?

I wish there was simple three strike policy on any elected official. Three proven lies and they are remove from office for life. And these can be anything. And not knowing at time does not change it. Only silence or absolute truth should be accepted.

So someone gets to arbitrarily decide what is or isn’t true, and thus arbitrarily remove anyone from any office for life?

Sounds like a foolproof plan.

Did we not read 1984?

Re: What if tariffs?

#198

Post by ThrowMeAway1618 »

Borealid wrote: post #59
exe34 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The exporter gets paid the same as before. The buyer pays more. There's a subtle difference, can you spot it?

Let's imagine, hypothetically speaking, that demand is perfectly inelastic. The price of a good is $10, and buyers will absolutely refuse to pay more than $10 under any circumstances. Before a tariff is imposed, the seller sells the good for $10 and keeps $10 in revenue. If a tariff of $1 is imposed under these hypothetical circumstances, does the buyer pay more? Does the exporter get paid the same as before? Clearly…

>I find it mildly amusing that there are so many people claiming that it's 100% on one side or other, when it's trivially easy to see why that can't be GUARANTEED TO BE the case.

Yup. And it can't be guaranteed that the sun will rise tomorrow.

As such, want to bet on it?

Re: What if tariffs?

#199

Post by xorcist »

lijok wrote: post #121
intermerda wrote: post #9

The number 39 refers to the 39% tariff rate on Switzerland. Kind of insane that the American President just made up a lie that tariffs are paid by foreign countries and rest of the administration just went along with it. It flies in the face of any common sense.

I don't know how this tariff stuff works, so for my own understanding, how come countries retaliate to US tariffs by imposing retaliatory tariffs? Are they punishing their own nationals?

An import tax works just like any other tax. You decide a law that "import of fresh fruit from Mexico is as of (date) subject to a 10% tax" together with details about exactly what fruit is considered fresh, how to calculate the tax, and where to pay.

Punishing their own nationals is very explicitly how this is sold to the voter base. "Prices are going to go up for you but unfortunately we have to do this to try to stop our neighbor from raising their import tax explicitly on goods from us".

Taxes are not a problem if everyone plays by the same rules. The problem for the economy is that some imports are subject to tax and others aren't, or when domestic goods aren't subject to the same tax. Picking winners and losers in an economy by political has never before in history turned out a winning concept.

Re: What if tariffs?

#200

Post by mbrumlow »

intermerda wrote: post #9

The number 39 refers to the 39% tariff rate on Switzerland. Kind of insane that the American President just made up a lie that tariffs are paid by foreign countries and rest of the administration just went along with it. It flies in the face of any common sense.

So why would the Swiss company care then? Care so much to make a special watch? It’s no skin off their back, they don’t pay the tariff right? Americans are the only ones affected right?
Post reply on HN