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Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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That's not a helpful answer.

How is that not helpful? A group of volunteers working in their spare time to do something incredibly difficult clearly aren't working fast enough for this person. The logical thing to do would be to jump in and help.

It's ok for a free thing to not meet someone's needs.

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

#192

Twenty years ago people went to great lenghts to run the best OS available at that time on cheap commodity x86 hardware with hackintoshes. Fast forward to today, similar efforts are made to run linux on the best hardware available. It's funny how things turn around.

> Fast forward to today, similar efforts are made to run the best OS available now (linux) on Apple hardware.

Ftfy.

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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I have a 2021 MacBook Pro with an M1 Pro. It's getting a bit old, so it would be nice to replace it with a new MacBook Pro in not too long. But honestly, losing Linux support would be pretty devastating. Docker and virtualization just isn't the same. There's lots of interesting stuff you can do with your hardware in Linux, there's for example Linux-specific software which puts the WiFi card in promiscuous mode and do…

I had an M2 air running asahi that I loved and had similar worries. I ended up buying a maxed out refurbished M2 which I expect will last me a few more years.

how's the battery life / what's your usual workload

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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The amount of effort and polish that goes into Asahi is commendable. I installed it on an M1 MBP and the process was seamless, from the initial curl, to it handling the disk partitions. It was a work of art. Fighting to install native linux on apple silicon is an uphill battle though.

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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I used to be in this camp until I tried and bought an M1 Macbook as my daily driver. I thought I was going to be Thinkpad/XPS w/ Linux until I die. I don't love MacOS but POSIX is mostly good enough for me and the hardware is so good that I'm willing to look past the shortfalls. Seriously I would love to switch back to a full-time Linux distro but I'm more interested in getting work done and having a stable & perform…

>Loosing a day of productivity fixing drivers and patching kernels gets old. You are talking like it was 1997. The typical linux users don't have to do that. Only those who buy unsupported devices on purpose for the challenge to make them work.

Well you should tell that to Dell because I have coworkers with a range of their models that are constantly fighting with webcams, audio, bluetooth, wifi, and Nvidia driver updates.

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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Honest question: why would you care about battery in your daily driver? aren't you sitting or standing at a desk?

which begs the question why even get a laptop as a daily driver people do it all the time for gaming laptops etc when probably 99% of their usage is at the same desk

For the same reason people tend to buy much larger cars than they really need.

They could own a much more economical car, and have enough money left in the pocket to rent a van when they go on big trips, get delivered or rent a trailer the few times a year they need to carry large stuff.

Personally I like having a laptop because I use my computers in different rooms depending on the use case and occasionally on travel.

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

#197

I honestly dont get why apple isn't more open with their drivers and stuff to get linux working on macbooks, they don't charge for macos, most of their profit comes from hardware it feels like opening up macbooks to be used by people that are linux diehards would just open up more sales

Most of their profits come from software or ecosystem lock ins. So while they do profit off of each Mac sold, if those sales don't translate to more iCloud subscriptions, app purchases, or iPhones then it really doesn't make financial sense for them. Even if they only had 3 people and a PM dedicated to Linux support, that's still roughly a million dollars a year for a nebulous promise of "slightly more hardware sales." It sucks but it's the reality of the situation.

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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My beef with the Framework laptops is that their memory bandwidth is 5 to 8 times slower (depending on the generation, CPU, and RAM) than that of a $1,500 refurbished MacBook Pro M1 Max 64GB.

But then you have a 5 year old laptop that’s going to lose official Apple software support in 5 years and become a paperweight unless you install your choice of ONE Linux distro. If you don’t specifically have a memory bandwidth-constrained workflow this doesn’t matter at all and having upgradable memory is still better for most people. If Framework starts using CAMM modules or releases a Ryzen AI board with soldered…

> choice of ONE Linux distro

fwiw the asahi kernel and patches are usable from other distros just fine; i've done it on nixos in the past and the linked blog post shows some stuff running on gentoo

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

#199

They're still working on M1 support. Still no thunderbolt or display port alt mode. Its painful to watch people choose Apple over a user respecting company that supports Linux well

There really aren't that many companies that respect users and support Linux well that need this sort of work done on them. Then again, the hardware that those companies release isn't quite as good as Apple Silicon, IMHO.

It's not so much that other companies support Linux. It is that they support industry standards and protocols. Apple is totally vertically integrated and they always cut corners on hardware implementation to save money. This means their hardware does not work how it should and requires custom work arounds and patches if you want to run a normal OS.

This is very different from PC hardware. It doesn't need to support linux. It just needs to not cut corners.

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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>Loosing a day of productivity fixing drivers and patching kernels gets old. You are talking like it was 1997. The typical linux users don't have to do that. Only those who buy unsupported devices on purpose for the challenge to make them work.

Well you should tell that to Dell because I have coworkers with a range of their models that are constantly fighting with webcams, audio, bluetooth, wifi, and Nvidia driver updates.

I am surprised. My former employer game me a Dell and the experience was quite smooth on Fedora.
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