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Re: Bible and Quran apps flagged NSFW by F-Droid

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Post by nilslindemann »

asacrowflies wrote: post #185
nilslindemann wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can see everything as a cult. Science, with its cultic belief that everything is a particle also just survived long enough to become normal. The question is, are members of one cult wise enough to accept other cults, or are they so insecure that they have to tag them with "NSFW"?

Incorrect science proved and proves itself everyday thru trial and error. cause and effect. Hypothesis and expirment.... To hear it compared to "faith" is offensive and absurd.

Science and Faith have different goals. Science figures out things, Faith helps those who are alone (And your ego hates this). Both are, in a neutral, scientific, sense, cults.

Edit: I am a bit one-sided here. Faith also is a social glue (look e.g. at the Muslims), and it actively works for spiritual self determinism. At least Buddhism, Toltecism and Scientology do.

Re: Bible and Quran apps flagged NSFW by F-Droid

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Post by asacrowflies »

nilslindemann wrote: post #191
asacrowflies wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Incorrect science proved and proves itself everyday thru trial and error. cause and effect. Hypothesis and expirment.... To hear it compared to "faith" is offensive and absurd.

Science and Faith have different goals. Science figures out things, Faith helps those who are alone (And your ego hates this). Both are, in a neutral, scientific, sense, cults. Edit: I am a bit one-sided here. Faith also is a social glue (look e.g. at the Muslims), and it actively works for spiritual self determinism. At least Buddhism, Toltecism and Scientology do.

Lol

Re: Bible and Quran apps flagged NSFW by F-Droid

#193

Post by nilslindemann »

asacrowflies wrote: post #192
nilslindemann wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Science and Faith have different goals. Science figures out things, Faith helps those who are alone (And your ego hates this). Both are, in a neutral, scientific, sense, cults. Edit: I am a bit one-sided here. Faith also is a social glue (look e.g. at the Muslims), and it actively works for spiritual self determinism. At least Buddhism, Toltecism and Scientology do.

Lol

LOL!

Re: Bible and Quran apps flagged NSFW by F-Droid

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Post by jaykru »

cma wrote: post #165
jaykru wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like the point of this comment is to concoct an example for which anyone agreeing with the parent comment would supposedly hold an inconsistent opinion. I'll insert my own consistency: neither should be flagged NSFW.

Would a Bible reading tracking app be ok for a kids section if F-Droid had one?

I don't see why not.

Re: Bible and Quran apps flagged NSFW by F-Droid

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Post by bonoboTP »

array_key_first wrote: post #118
cvoss wrote: post #55

This is a very problematic choice and as much as I want to think it wasn't malicious, at every turn it sure looks like it's meant to be inflammatory. I can think of exactly one good reason to mark religious content as NSFW (under F-Droid's bizarre and very not normal definition of that word): To protect persons living in areas of the world where association with that religion is ruinous or outright dangerous due to p…

Most religious texts are NSFW in the most literal interpretation. They contain violence and rape in great detail. Which is fine, but it is just NSFW.

In the "most literal" interpretation no. It's generally safe to read the Bible at work, (during times when reading anything non-work related is allowed).

Re: Bible and Quran apps flagged NSFW by F-Droid

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Post by daurentius523 »

Hizonner wrote: post #163
greycol wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's all about interpretation, which is the point where you mark something as not appropriate for children so that parents can actively make the choice on if their kids should be exposed to it. In this case there's very little argument about whether we want more people following the voice in their head to kill their son, which is from the bible, or having vanilla sex, which is the definition of hardcore porn (as oppo…

> whether we want more people following the voice in their head to kill their son Now, to be fair, the voice did walk that back once it was clear the guy was going to do it. It just needed to be reassured that it was special.

To be really fair - semitic politheism had a thing for the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moloch . This can be seen as opposition (a weak one) or whitewashed remnant of endorsement.

I'm not sure that this label works though - I get the F-Droid is doing it because of regulatory push but it seems to me that simply notion of "safe internet" or "safe app-store" is fundamentally misguided (we didn't made TV safe - just gave ranking and let parents decide)- and I can see that someone with modern sensibilities looking at older or god-forbid "ancient" literature will have to mark huge swaths of it as not safe.

I think that most of this rage should instead be directed toward this regulatory nonsense instead of F-droid though.

This does illustrate ironical thing - and what christian puritans forget - bible will not OK for atheistic/modern puritans.

Re: Bible and Quran apps flagged NSFW by F-Droid

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Post by daurentius523 »

nathanaldensr wrote: post #125
dvno42 wrote: post #103

This seems reasonable. The content includes themes (death, rape, violence, etc) that are generally considered NSFW by most modern day rating agencies. Just because cultures have historically seeded the texts for a long period of time doesn't make them SFW. If ESRB/MPAA had to rate a modern reboot, I don't think it would get a T/PG-13. Personally, I wouldn't want my kids exposed to this kind of material without at lea…

It's only reasonable if reason is applied, rather than one particular set of contributors' political sensibilities. Unfortunately, there is zero logical consistency in what is marked NSFW and what isn't. That's the entire problem. F-Droid's authoritarian moral-policing crew are coming up with any flimsy justification for censorship applied inconsistently rather than taking an objective look at the issue. Read the com…

"one particular set of contributors' political sensibilities." - the entire western world is now particular sets of political and ideological sensibilities. Why puritan christians always assume that theirs is somehow different of others and won't be subject to new puritanism?

"Read the comments and you'll see their tone is clearly dismissive and condescending" - you think that way because you are biased to classify your religious text as not nsfw - but there is no such reason really - christianity is no longer main ideology of everyone.

Re: Bible and Quran apps flagged NSFW by F-Droid

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Post by daurentius523 »

bigyabai wrote: post #150
infamia wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, there are plenty of other examples (just in games alone) to write off as a mere one-off oversight. It certainly seems targeted since they've targeted religious apps that don't even have any explicit content. For an app store that is supposed to advocate for freedom this is disturbing and very off-putting. The answer is not submitting a PR to enable even more censorship.

> It certainly seems targeted since they've Who is "they" here? The person who opened the PR? The person who wrote the NSFW definition? The moderators correcting the mistakes? > The answer is not submitting a PR to enable even more censorship. It's not censorship, you can still install the apps to your phone. You just cannot promote them to impressionable audiences like children, or pretend it is appropriate conduct…

"It's not censorship" - it is.

"You just cannot promote them to impressionable audiences like children" - the fact that child has device is problem not the fact that device can access information.

"or that gore and shock content is free expression." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn_Devouring_His_Son

Re: Bible and Quran apps flagged NSFW by F-Droid

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Post by daurentius523 »

asacrowflies wrote: post #185
nilslindemann wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can see everything as a cult. Science, with its cultic belief that everything is a particle also just survived long enough to become normal. The question is, are members of one cult wise enough to accept other cults, or are they so insecure that they have to tag them with "NSFW"?

Incorrect science proved and proves itself everyday thru trial and error. cause and effect. Hypothesis and expirment.... To hear it compared to "faith" is offensive and absurd.

" "faith" is offensive " - and how exactly do you think most people act to science ?

Do they check every fact that they learn by experimentation?

Or do they trust/believe authority that given them such fact mindlessly?

Can we stop putting our morality and faith above another's?

Any aggressive ideology that forces it believers to censor non-believer viewpoint is ultimately self-destructive - even if you force non-believers they will not believe in it - because they never trusted it.

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