IDEs we had 30 years ago and lost (2023)

It's mind-blowing because it makes git actually usable.

Oh, this reminds me: I should turn off the menu bar in emacs. Not like I ever use it.

> For people who can look at a list of key bindings once and have them memorized, maybe. Turns out most people are not like that, and appreciate an interface that accounts for that.

To clarify, the "custom buffer" can list the bindings. Think of Ediff and the control buffer at the bottom of the frame.

I am not saying that transient offers nothing over regular prefix keys, there is a common design pattern that has some definitive and useful value. My objection is that the implementation is more complex than it should be and this complexity affects UX issues.

> Not true. (Try it.) This was true for very early versions; it hasn't been true for years.

Then I was mistaken about the implementation, but on master C-s breaks transient buffers for me on master and I cannot use C-h k as usual to find out what a key-press execute. These are the annoyances I constantly run into that break what I tried to describe in my previous comment.

> Except that in the case of transient you actually can enable such buffer switching, it's just strongly discouraged because you are going to shoot yourself in the foot if you do that

I did not know about this, so thank you for the link. I will probably have to take a closer look, but from a quick glance over the issue, I believe that the problem that you are describing indicates that the fear I mentioned above w.r.t. the complexity of transient might be true.

> I usually do not respond to posts like this (anymore), but sometimes the urge is just too strong.

I understand your irritation and don't want to deny its validity. We do not have to discuss this publicly in a subthread about DOS IDEs, but I am ready to chat any time. I just want you to know that if I am not saying anything to personally insult you. Comments I make on cond-let and Magit sound the way they do because I am also genuinely irritated and concerned about developments in the Emacs package space. To be honest, it often doesn't occur to me that you would read my remarks, and I say this without any malicious or ulterior motives, in my eyes you are still a much more influential big-shot in the Emacs space, while I see myself as just a junior janitor, who's opinions nobody cares about. But these self-image and articulation problems are mine, as are their consequences, so I will do better to try to remember that the internet is a public space where anyone can see anything.

The Turbo Pascal “IDE” was my very first dive into programming, and it’s still the best experience I’ve ever had! Maybe it’s just because it was my first, but wow, it already had tons of cool features back then, like syntax highlighting, step debugging with breakpoints, and a quick peek at variable values.

Do you think there’s anything like that out there today? The only ones I can think of that are closed are nano and micro editors, but I wouldn’t really call them IDEs.