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Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner

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Post by whstl »

alberth wrote: post #186

There's a value curve for infrastructure, I'll use an analogy... Low Cost High Cost ============================================================== FARM WHOLESALER GROCERY RESTAURANT DOORDASH BUILD CO-LOCATION HETZNER AWS VERCEL While it's not a perfect analogy, in principle it holds true. As such, it should come as no surprise that eating at a restaurant every day is going to be way more expensive.

AWS is more of high-scale cook-your-own pizza restaurant where you can't see the bill until the end, and you often have to mop the floor and wash the latrines yourself too. And washing the latrine costs money too of course, but you don’t wanna get salmonella, right?

Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner

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Post by DarkNova6 »

andybak wrote: post #153

I love how few comments on this and similar posts give much context along with their advice. Are you hosting a church newsletter in your spare time or a resource intensive web app with millions of paying enterprise customers and a dedicated dev ops team in 3 continents? Any advice on price / performance / availability is meaningless unless you explain where you're coming from. The reason we see people overcomplicatin…

Tech industry in a nutshell

Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner

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Post by patapong »

debazel wrote: post #155
amelius wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How long after shutting you down did they delete your data? That period should definitely be longer than a few days.

Hetzner will almost immediately nuke your data if you miss a payment and often outright ban you and your business from ever using them again. Hetzner is great for cheap personal sites but I would never use them for any serious business use-cases. Other than failed payments, Hetzner also has very strict content policies and they use user reports to find offenders. This means that if just a few users report your websit…

Hmm this sounds scary, even though I've had very positive experience with them. Any alternatives with similarly priced offerings that do not face this issue?

Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner

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Post by ozim »

lisperforlife wrote: post #11

I think you can get much farther with dedicated servers. I run a couple of nodes on Hetzner. The performance you get from a dedicated machine even if it is a 3 year old machine that you can get on server auction is absolutely bonkers and cannot be compared to VMs. The thing is that most of the server hardware is focused towards high core count, low clock speed processors that optimize for I/O rather than compute. It…

As mentioned multiple times in other comments and places people think that doing what Google or FB is doing should be what everyone else is doing.

We are running modest operations on European VPS provider where I work and whenever we get a new hire (business or technical does not matter) it is like a Groundhog day - I have to explain — WE ALREADY ARE IN THE CLOUD, NO YOU WILL NOT START "MIGRATING TO CLOUD PROJECT" ON MY WATCH SO YOU CAN PAD YOUR CV AND MOVE TO ANOTHER COMPANY TO RUIN THEIR INFRA — or something along those lines but asking chatgpt to make it more friendly tone.

Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner

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Post by manawyrm »

dboreham wrote: post #170
Qasaur wrote: post #125

Hetzner is great for dedicated servers, but for those of us who need smaller-scale secure/confidential VMs I'm afraid that there isn't really any other choice than hyperscalers. Does anyone know if there is a VM vendor that sits somewhere in between a dedicated server host like Hetzner in terms of performance + cost-effectiveness and AWS/GCP in terms of security? Basically TPM/vTPM + AMD SEV/SEV-SNP + UEFI Secure Boo…

Interested to hear more about your use case and threat model, if you are willing to share. I ask because although I've looked into (and done some prototyping) with secure cloud hosting, I/we came to the conclusion that there's no current technology that is "actually secure" and so abandoned the approach. Curious if things have improved now, or if you're operating in some security theater context where it's ok.

+1, if your threat model is actually this severe, use physical hardware with physical interlocks and physical security mechanisms.

Software/virtualization is just helpless against such a threat model.

Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner

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Post by matt-p »

natnat wrote: post #177

Are there decent US based alternatives to Hetzner? I'd like to have my servers located in the US for a variety of reasons, but most of the alternatives I've seen to Hetzner seem to be pretty fly-by-night shops.

clouvider and latitude look like decent pricing on https://www.serversearcher.com/ I know phoenixnap exists as well.

Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner

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Post by Esophagus4 »

Thicken2320 wrote: post #164
adamcharnock wrote: post #150

I cannot overstate the performance improvement of deploying onto bare metal. We typically see a doubling of performance, as well as extremely predictable baseline performance. This is down to several things: - Latency - having your own local network, rather than sharing some larger datacenter network fabric, gives around of order of magnitude reduced latency - Caches – right-sizing a deployment for the underlying har…

Using the S3 API is like chopping onions, the more you do it, the faster you start crying.

Haha!

My only “yes, but…” is that this:

> 50k API calls per second (on S3 that is $20-$250 _per second_ on API calls!).

kind of smells like abuse of S3. Without knowing the use case, maybe a different AWS service is a better answer?

Not advocating for AWS, just saying that maybe this is the wrong comparison.

Though I do want to learn about Hetzner.

Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner

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Post by infogulch »

Aissen wrote: post #180
rightbyte wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is old is new again. My employer is so conservative and slow that they are forerunning this Local Cloud Edge Our Basement thing by just not doing anything.

As an infrastructure engineer (amongst other things), hard disagree here. I realize you might be joking, but a bit of context here: a big chunk of the success of Cloud in more traditional organizations is the agility that comes with it: (almost) no need to ask permission to anyone, ownership of your resources, etc. There is no reason that baremetal shouldn't provide the same customer-oriented service, at least for th…

Like https://oxide.computer/ ?

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Post by anonzzzies »

jnsaff2 wrote: post #161
adamcharnock wrote: post #150

I cannot overstate the performance improvement of deploying onto bare metal. We typically see a doubling of performance, as well as extremely predictable baseline performance. This is down to several things: - Latency - having your own local network, rather than sharing some larger datacenter network fabric, gives around of order of magnitude reduced latency - Caches – right-sizing a deployment for the underlying har…

There is a graph database which does disk IO for database startup, backup and restore as single threaded, sequential, 8kb operations. On EBS it does at most 200MB/s disk IO just because the EBS operation latency even on io2 is about 0.5 ms. Even though the disk can go much faster, disk benchmarks can easily do multi-GB/s on nodes that have enough EBS throughput. On instance local SSD on the same EC2 instance it will…

What graph db is that?

Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner

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Post by matt-p »

faizshah wrote: post #156

Can anyone recommend a good cloud for GPU instances? Was trying to find a good one for 30B quants but there’s so many now and the pricing is all over the place.

Depends on the gpu you need honestly. Maybe worth checking out https://www.serversearcher.com/servers/gpu and other comparison sites?
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