Live data from Hacker News

Amazon’s Ring to partner with Flock

techcrunch.com

191–200 of 531 posts

Re: Amazon’s Ring to partner with Flock

#191
People need devices that will protect them from this mass surveillance. Plausible deniability needs to be restored.

Some sort of jamming tech or scrambling tech. There’s no reason to lock everyone into a surveillance state when we should be fighting it. Fighting through legislation isn’t tenable anymore.

Re: Amazon’s Ring to partner with Flock

#192
post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Shame on the idiots who place a webcam on their front doorstep too.

plenty of good use cases for it, and the popularity of the devices speak for themselves. just don't get ones owned by evil megacorps who have openly said they'll sell access to ICE

What is an equivalently capable alternative that puts the user more in control?

The reason Ring is popular isn't just marketing or network effect, it's that it works. Before Ring and clones, security camera / DVR combos were really hard to make effective, I tried. Maybe you'd have a totally reliable system with good video, but it'd fail to notify you when you need it to, or notify way too often. Battery power was infeasible because cameras couldn't sleep. Phone notifications were DIY. A long compounding list of things could go wrong and make you miss an important event or fail to record it entirely. I'm hoping those have caught up by now, but haven't found any.

Re: Amazon’s Ring to partner with Flock

#193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They've done studies and construction workers have a much higher rate of injury and death than the police in the US. Sure, but both construction worker and police officer are significantly more dangerous jobs than most of us here have sitting behind a desk. Obviously it’s not a job where people are dying routinely, but suggesting death or serious injury are the only two risks of interacting with the public and resp…

And nurses have even a more dangerous job. I'm not convinced that being a cop is such a tough job. Most of it is sitting in your car waiting for speeders, or to warn traffic about road construction, or driving around looking for something unusual happening. US courts have determined they don't even have a duty to risk their own lives to save civilians. Kinda the entire purpose of their job's existence, removed. There…

just to make this explicit, protecting civilians has never been the purpose of modern police forces. they were developed to put down rebellions/catch slaves/protect rich people's property

Re: Amazon’s Ring to partner with Flock

#194
post #26

George Orwell really never could have imagined that people would flock to purchase or otherwise use the methods of their own surveillance. (smart phones, social media, smart cameras, modern cars, etc) I think it paints government surveillance policies in something of a different light. There is definitely a constituency which believes that the evil central government is pushing for surveillance in a purely unilateral…

I already have problem with negligent people using products like Ring that is to surveil anyone around without control, with uncontrollable and unreliable level of standard handling collected data (no high hopes here). But when I find it very very hard and limited purchasing products that cannot spy on me - special mention here for smart phones and cars - that makes me mad to the next level. Even for the elevated lev…

I feel this entirely. The constant surveillance is almost unavoidable if one ever wants to participate in society. How can I always avoid using a cell phone when my source of income requires that I be accessible most of time. People will respond to get another job or buy this obscure product instead, but as you said, I can’t live my life if I’m constantly researching EVERYTHING that affects my life, and having to wade through so much bs to do so.

Re: Amazon’s Ring to partner with Flock

#195
post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

citation needed

https://www.idownloadblog.com/2021/12/16/ios-15-2-power-rese... They can do it right up until the battery truly discharges. You can’t turn off WiFi/BT for real either. Icons will go dark and your WiFi and devices won’t work, but underneath the radios are still plenty active and powered on.

What "they" don't want you to know:

- You can disable this feature

- Disabling radios from Control Center behaves differently than from Settings

Re: Amazon’s Ring to partner with Flock

#196
post #14

These are mappable in OpenStreetMap with the tags surveillance:type=camera + camera:mount=doorbell Data query around the Netherlands shows about a hundred are mapped so far as specifically doorbell cameras: https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/2dQw (the tag does not yet seem established in the USA). There are also many thousands of cameras mapped that are either not doorbell-mounted, or simply not tagged to such detail. This…

And (several times previously on HN), Flock and other ALPR cameras are mappable too.

https://deflock.me/identify

Re: Amazon’s Ring to partner with Flock

#197
post #73
post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Shame on the idiots who place a webcam on their front doorstep too.

Someone tried to enter by the window next to my front porch door, it prompted me to install a video doorbell because the dude that frightened my wife only received a ticket because there was no proof he tried (and fail) to force open a window and did not enter the house. If I had a recording he would have spent the night at the station and it would have been a criminal offense instead of a civil one. Even if it only…

were you frightened also?

Re: Amazon’s Ring to partner with Flock

#198
post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Someone tried to enter by the window next to my front porch door, it prompted me to install a video doorbell because the dude that frightened my wife only received a ticket because there was no proof he tried (and fail) to force open a window and did not enter the house. If I had a recording he would have spent the night at the station and it would have been a criminal offense instead of a civil one. Even if it only…

This. Local youths started playing ding-dong-ditch last summer. It was harmless when it was 8-9pm on a Friday or Saturday. They escalated to banging on windows, then to doing it at 1am, and finally to damaging our garage door to the point it won't open. My wife is extremely upset about all of this, and I'm not going to be bullied out of the opinion that 24/7 cameras are actually a good thing.

is the doorbell camera industry held up by wife guys?

Re: Amazon’s Ring to partner with Flock

#199
post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you think it's fear? The owners I know consider it a convenience device.

Convenience for? Security? Isn’t increased security measures based on fear?

Just knowing when stuff happens outside your house when you're not home. Like, someone in the household came back from work, a package arrived, or a cool animal showed up. Or you're home and appreciate a little more notice before a visitor rings the doorbell.

Personally not a compelling enough reason to buy the camera in the first place, but those non crime notifications end up being the most common once it's up.

Re: Amazon’s Ring to partner with Flock

#200
post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>elected government Elected in part by the useful idiots on HN and many other places. They were so ignorant of how government actually works they were happy to give it this power. They foresaw the jackboot being used to stomp petty criminals and fellow middle class types who don't "pay their fair share". But they had never cracked open a history book because if they had they would know that sort of stuff is never a t…

Maybe people are just responding to things like labelling them all as "useful idiots" and "Nazis" and "fascists"

what about snowflake, that's a good one too!
Post reply on HN