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Re: KDE celebrates the 29th birthday and kicks off the yearly fundraiser

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How much do I have to pay to get ISO dates?

Nothing? I've got a date format option for ISO date right now?

Where the fuck is that? Why can;t it just obey my locale which already produces the right format.

Re: KDE celebrates the 29th birthday and kicks off the yearly fundraiser

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zfs on Linux has not been production ready for decades. People have lost data from it. There's no real reason to allow the default installer to do this. If you understand the risks, you can do it yourself.

> zfs on Linux has not been production ready for decades. People have lost data from it. I don't think that's true. Other than with ZFS-native encryption, which I grant has been less reliable, it's been rock solid for a very long time. And I've run >1PB of postgres databases on it professionally, so I feel fairly comfortable in that assertion. > There's no real reason to allow the default installer to do this. The de…

If you Google zfs Linux data loss, you can find many posts about this. Including one lengthy discussion on HN.

Also, you are not the typical user installing the OS from the default installer. I am not saying ZFS is bad, but not including it in the default installer is no big deal.

Re: KDE celebrates the 29th birthday and kicks off the yearly fundraiser

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indeed, do you have some references on the data loss? would be good to read actually I currently think ZFS is quite robust, but who knows never hurts to learn more..

ZFS is pretty robust. ZFS on Linux is not, so much so that Oracle the company that owns it refuses to officially support it. It's a fairly well known issue. https://www.theregister.com/2018/04/10/zfs_on_linux_data_los... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16797644 https://zfs-discuss.zfsonlinux.narkive.com/8zTNgJHA/i-have-l...

ah OK yes on Linux, missed that crucial part!

Re: KDE celebrates the 29th birthday and kicks off the yearly fundraiser

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Nothing? I've got a date format option for ISO date right now?

Where the fuck is that? Why can;t it just obey my locale which already produces the right format.

Right click on clock > "Configure Digital Clock..." > "Date Format:" > "ISO date"

Re: KDE celebrates the 29th birthday and kicks off the yearly fundraiser

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post #192

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> zfs on Linux has not been production ready for decades. People have lost data from it. I don't think that's true. Other than with ZFS-native encryption, which I grant has been less reliable, it's been rock solid for a very long time. And I've run >1PB of postgres databases on it professionally, so I feel fairly comfortable in that assertion. > There's no real reason to allow the default installer to do this. The de…

If you Google zfs Linux data loss, you can find many posts about this. Including one lengthy discussion on HN. Also, you are not the typical user installing the OS from the default installer. I am not saying ZFS is bad, but not including it in the default installer is no big deal.

So funny thing. I was planning to agree and write something about how you can find data loss stories for literally any filesystem, but the relative frequency and nature of those stories is important to differentiate.

However.

https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=btrfs+data+loss&ia=web - first 2 results about data loss or corruption, especially on power loss

https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=ext4+data+loss&ia=web - first 2 results about data loss or corruption/truncation on power loss or OS crash

https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=xfs+data+loss&ia=web - first result about data loss when losing power

https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=zfs+data+loss&ia=web - First result is someone claiming data loss after setting sync=disabled on a single disk over usb with slog+l2arc on the same disk, and scrub turns up 50k errors; i.e. they did everything they could to hold it wrong, and in the end their disk physically failed, which I really don't think is a ZFS problem. Second result is a stack overflow thread discussing why ZFS doesn't fail the usual ways. Third result is official docs. If I go down the rest of the first page of duckduckgo results, it's mostly discussions of how ZFS protects against data loss, with the one exception of https://forum.level1techs.com/t/solved-zfs-monthlong-changes... ... which looks bad until you realize the use didn't mount a filesystem, and once they found it they recovered their data just fine.

So no, based on random web searches I conclude that ZFS remains head and shoulders above every other option.

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Edit: If I search for "zfs Linux data loss hacker news", I get https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22005181 which appears to contain zero stories of losing data on ZFS, although there's a bunch of stories about BTRFS doing so. Most of the remaining results are news stories about a single bug from 2023 and one story about ZFS's native encryption having problems (which I grant is a footgun).

Re: KDE celebrates the 29th birthday and kicks off the yearly fundraiser

#196
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It’s the default because it’s much easier to provide a consistent desktop with gnome compared to KDE. Let’s face it, most quality Linux desktop apps use GTK. Even Firefox uses gtk. So you can make KDE the default but you’re going to be forced to ship a smattering of gnome/gtk apps anyway with different ui/ux and looks. On the other hand, you can easily ship a GNOME desktop without even shipping qt libraries at all.

> Let’s face it, most quality Linux desktop apps use GTK. As I wrote above, more than a few large applications have switched away from GTK to Qt including Wireshark, Openshot, and now Audacity. How many large apps have switched the other way? Then there are the "quality" apps that have always been on the Qt / KDE side of the fence: Kdenlive, FreeCAD, Krita, Scribus, qBittorrent, Qt Creator, Dolphin... And that's free…

QGIS too.

Re: KDE celebrates the 29th birthday and kicks off the yearly fundraiser

#197
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I'm still surprised at how smooth KDE Plasma + Wayland + Input actions on Arch feels on a fresh install on my new HP AMD laptop. The Only slightly wonky thing has been the fingerprint reader. Other than that my Linux set up now feels smoother than my office Mac. AND I get way better battery life compared to Windows on the same machine. Special call outs to: kwin, dolphin, yakuake, kde-connect

I was pleasantly surprised, that a recent update for plasma fixed the fingerprint reader for my thinkpad t15. It previously had an issue, where it didn't work after waking from suspend.

Wow.. looks like this is the case with my HP too.. very plesant surprise indeed.. just opened my personal laptop after a week of sleep. battery is still 60%+ and fingerprint unlock works!

Re: KDE celebrates the 29th birthday and kicks off the yearly fundraiser

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And the 1998 approach of just Googling it works perfectly, why would you even bring GPT to this?

For the same reason I would use gpt to solve something basic like this: It is the simplest and fastest way to get it done right now. I was not trying to be inflammatory, although apparently I did not understand it would be a big deal to people.

> It is the simplest and fastest way to get it done right now.

or the fastest way to get a confidently wrong words-salad. This stuff is niche AND indexed in search-engines, which makes LLMs generally not the best-suited (as proven by Gemini's answer being inferior than the search results lower down on the same search page).

> I was not trying to be inflammatory

You were not. I was just catching you at "use the right tool for the job", which often LLM is not. On a tech venue such as this, I would indeed expect this to come across as non-controversial.

Re: KDE celebrates the 29th birthday and kicks off the yearly fundraiser

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Where the fuck is that? Why can;t it just obey my locale which already produces the right format.

Right click on clock > "Configure Digital Clock..." > "Date Format:" > "ISO date"

Oh wow you can get the ISO date in one little corner of the screen but everywhere else a date is shown will still be mixed endian US.

Re: KDE celebrates the 29th birthday and kicks off the yearly fundraiser

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I've been running KDE plasma with wayland in arch for over a year now, it's been an absolute dream come true. Everything just works. Gaming with Proton, dual monitors with different resolutions, Japanese input, I only need to hop onto windows when my son wants to play Minecraft.

Let me just say that luanti/minetest is a serious contender at this point.
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