I wish we could see all of the offending posts. Without that, it’s hard to tell if the messages are threatening or not.
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#192Earlier quoted context omitted.
I can't speak for the person(s) you're referring to but at lest on HN it's generally always been anti-political. The guidelines state: > Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It tramples curiosity.
Nearly everything we discuss here is political. Some people get triggered when the current administration gets criticized and pretend that's the line where politics starts, but it isn't. Accepting what the government does without question is the height of incuriosity. If the site owners had any interest in enforcing the guidelines, this place wouldn't be a cesspool of LLM shovelware self-promotion.
deep breaths, everything is going to be okay.
Re: Tennessee man arrested, accused of threatening a shooting, after posting meme
#193Earlier quoted context omitted.
> think Kirk probably wouldn't be proud of his own behaviour there He had years to apologise. It could have meaningfully altered the temperature of our discourse, particularly among young men. He never did. Kirk gets no credit for amends he never made.
This is how Charlie Kirk got on my radar: "Mere weeks before his death, Kirk reveled in Trump's deployment of federal troops to DC. 'Shock and awe. Force,' he wrote. 'We're taking our country back from these cockroaches.'" Cockroaches! Literally language of the Rwandan genocide. And it's a Christian saying this about other human beings? The man never changed. (Obviously, he should not have been shot. But his sanctifi…
In case the reference doesn't click[1]:
> Twenty-five years ago this month, all hell broke loose in my country, which is tucked away in the Great Lakes region of Africa. Hordes of members of the Hutu ethnic majority, armed with machetes, spears, nail-studded clubs, and other rudimentary weapons, moved house to house in villages, hunting for Tutsis, the second largest of Rwanda’s three ethnic groups. The radio station RTLM, allied with leaders of the government, had been inciting Hutus against the Tutsi minority, repeatedly describing the latter as inyenzi, or “cockroaches,” and as inzoka, or “snakes.” The station, unfortunately, had many listeners.
> The promoters of genocide used other metaphors to turn people against their neighbors. Hutus, by reputation, are shorter than Tutsis; radio broadcasters also urged Hutus to “cut down the tall trees.”
> In urban centers, government soldiers and well-armed members of the Interahamwe militia affiliated with the ruling party set up roadblocks filtering out Tutsis and killing them by the roadside. It was an easy task to pick them out. Ever since independence from Belgium in 1962, national identification cards specified ethnicity.
> Within 100 days, an estimated 1 million people, the overwhelming majority of whom were Tutsis, lay dead. The worst kind of hatred had been unleashed. What began with dehumanizing words ended in bloodshed.
[1] https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/04/rwanda-sho...
Re: Tennessee man arrested, accused of threatening a shooting, after posting meme
#194Earlier quoted context omitted.
> think Kirk probably wouldn't be proud of his own behaviour there He had years to apologise. It could have meaningfully altered the temperature of our discourse, particularly among young men. He never did. Kirk gets no credit for amends he never made.
This is how Charlie Kirk got on my radar: "Mere weeks before his death, Kirk reveled in Trump's deployment of federal troops to DC. 'Shock and awe. Force,' he wrote. 'We're taking our country back from these cockroaches.'" Cockroaches! Literally language of the Rwandan genocide. And it's a Christian saying this about other human beings? The man never changed. (Obviously, he should not have been shot. But his sanctifi…
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Re: Tennessee man arrested, accused of threatening a shooting, after posting meme
#195Earlier quoted context omitted.
> "numerous…teachers, parents and students" somehow interpreted Bushart's meme—with its citation in fine print about a previous school shooting at Perry High School in Perry, Iowa—as a threat to carry out a similar shooting at nearby Perry County High School. Wouldn’t matter. Those elected would likely be re elected. This wasn’t Trump advising some federal agency to bully someone he doesn’t like. It was the community…
> Wouldn’t matter. Those elected would likely be re elected This is just rationalising laziness and nihilism. They may get re-elected. That doesn't mean you can't create a lot of chaos and cost for them along the way. Like, I wish my adversaries would preëmptively conclude that even attempting to oppose me is not worth it. > This is the will of the people You're concluding this how?
You are 100% correct. Just recently a single website that linked some e-mail addresses destroyed the EU Plans for chat control. Apathy and Cynicism would've led it happen but just the act of making one website and posting it at the right places, something everyone here could easily do, changed the course of law dramatically.
That small victory really made me reconsider.
Re: Tennessee man arrested, accused of threatening a shooting, after posting meme
#196Earlier quoted context omitted.
Kirk, among many other right wing figures, have absolutely made light of past violence against Democrats. The discourse around Paul Pelosi was utterly vile and despicable. Nobody ever threatened his first amendment right to say horrendous things.
FWIW I agree Kirk shouldn't have made fun of Paul Pelosi. I think Kirk probably wouldn't be proud of his own behaviour there.
NARRATOR: he was, in fact, proud of his behavior there, plainly visible by comparing such behavior to hundreds of other publicly recorded instances of such behavior for which he was also quite proud
Re: Tennessee man arrested, accused of threatening a shooting, after posting meme
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Those settlements need to come out of police retirement funds, to better align interests.
> Those settlements need to come out of police retirement funds, to better align interests If the sheriff, DA and judge each thought this was a good idea, it's fair for the voters who hired them to take the hit.
Are sheriff, DA and judge directly electable positions then? I thought they were appointed by the Council or Senate (no, I don't live in the US nor do I have any desire to).
Re: Tennessee man arrested, accused of threatening a shooting, after posting meme
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That should be where the right to a speedy trial comes into play. If he is held in jail because he isn't released on bail, the best thing to do is repeatedly file motions for the speedy trial.
I think if there's a major constitutional right to be invoked here, it's the Eighth Amendment "excessive bail shall not be required". Two million dollars?! For a 61-year-old posting on Facebook? What kind of risk does he pose exactly?
Pointing attention at the basic hypocrisy and complete lack of principle of Dear Leader's party is an existential risk!
Re: Tennessee man arrested, accused of threatening a shooting, after posting meme
#199People outside the U.S. should care about this because so much social media is based in the U.S.. i.e. If you post an anti-MAGA meme to Facebook or reddit from an identifiable account you could be charged as this man was. Perhaps the U.S. will try to extradite you. (I would hope most nations have sensible checks and balances to prevent extradition over this sort of thing, but it would still be a PITA.) However, the U…
> Perhaps the U.S. will try to extradite you. (I would hope most nations have sensible checks and balances to prevent extradition over this sort of thing, but it would still be a PITA.)
I don't think there's any countries that allow extradition for actions that aren't crimes in their own country. Extradition treaties, as far as I know, aren't straightforward conveyor belts that let any countries hoover up anyone inconvenient for them, the requested countries don't want to let go of their own people for no reason, and can deny these requests as they see fit.
Being held up at an entry point to the US is a real worry, but at this stage I feel like they're not quite psychotic enough to be causing international drama over a Facebook post, so actions like these will probably remain domestic for a while.
The location where these websites are hosted probably doesn't matter - if you posted something the US doesn't like and you end up in a situation where they can get to you, no one would care about where exactly you posted it. All bets are off.
Re: Tennessee man arrested, accused of threatening a shooting, after posting meme
#200Amazingly even this post is a reflection of the discourse around Kirk. There are replies equating any criticism of Kirk to celebrating his death and glossing over his past nasty behavior. All seems to detached from reality.
It doesn't matter. Charlie Kirk could have been the greatest saint of our generation, and it would still be unjust to imprison someone for posting a meme saying that they don't care about his death.
It would be unjust to imprison or even have law enforcement knock on the door of a person who was celebrating in the streets that he died!
This is completely out of bounds for the United States. But that's the Woke Right for ya.