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Google, Meta and Microsoft to stop showing political ads in the EU

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Re: Google, Meta and Microsoft to stop showing political ads in the EU

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Post by dangus »

dietr1ch wrote: post #183
dangus wrote: post #177

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What if the “good old experience” is Microsoft in the late 1990s with a nearly 100% marketshare? You don’t know anyone who uses another system and you assume that all other options either don’t exist or can’t possibly be as good. There’s almost zero word of mouth and you haven’t bothered to consult a directory since you’re 100% confident that the only operating system in the world is Windows [1] Do you not recognize…

So are we stuck with vi because vim, neovim, and helix had no spam budget?

Non-commercial software that started as a personal project isn’t really a good example. There’s no development or manufacturing cost.

Re: Google, Meta and Microsoft to stop showing political ads in the EU

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Post by dangus »

porridgeraisin wrote: post #31
thewebguyd wrote: post #15

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> showing me same ad each day would convince someone to eventually try something they are not interested in * not interested in right now. Showing the same ad to the same person (or cohort of people) works. Eventually, someone in the cohort may be interested in that product/service at some point in their lfie and they are more likely to pick a brand they are familiar with. They are now familiar with that brand after…

Yeah. Don't want that. Of course it works, but so does drugging people. Doesn't mean it needs to be allowed. When I want it, ill initiate a fresh search and find whatever I find, at that time. Don't want things leeching into my subconscious just because you want it to be your brand that I use later.

What’s your stance on signage on physical brick and mortar businesses? Logos on products? Where should we be drawing this line? And who benefits most from that line being drawn?

Re: Google, Meta and Microsoft to stop showing political ads in the EU

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Post by dietr1ch »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #43
dietr1ch wrote: post #10

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You are conflating slapping ads in people's faces with making your business listed on the white/yellow/whatever pages and allowing people to find you without being a jerk.

The yellow pages are ads, that's why for a while it was really hard to stop getting the phone company to stop leaving it as trash on your doorstep.

But we don't need paper these days. What I meant is to switch from being shown somewhat relevant ads while you try to do something else, to searching for relevant stuff whenever you truly need it.

Re: Google, Meta and Microsoft to stop showing political ads in the EU

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Post by porridgeraisin »

dangus wrote: post #192
porridgeraisin wrote: post #31

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Yeah. Don't want that. Of course it works, but so does drugging people. Doesn't mean it needs to be allowed. When I want it, ill initiate a fresh search and find whatever I find, at that time. Don't want things leeching into my subconscious just because you want it to be your brand that I use later.

What’s your stance on signage on physical brick and mortar businesses? Logos on products? Where should we be drawing this line? And who benefits most from that line being drawn?

If it's their shop, it is fine. If it's their product, it is fine. Anywhere else, not fine. Even then, it should only be visible as I come close to the place, none of the obnoxiously massive billboards.

It's the same online, you can fill your own website, or your slot on the "yellow/white pages equivalent" alluded to by GP, with whatever crap you want.

> Where should we be drawing the line

Anything without explicit initiation from the user is not allowed. If I walk in front of your shop, cool, show me your ad. If I am 500m away, don't put up a fucking 5x5m billboard 40ft in the air. If I open your website, or scroll past your slot on an aggregator, cool, show me your logo, otherwise, nope. If I s/scroll/stroll past your s/slot/shelf in the s/aggregator/groceryshop then show me your logo, otherwise, nope. There are maaaaybe a few exceptions to the rule, like on highways I'd be fine with seeing $restaurant 8km away, or whatever, but those are rare situations where you benefit from knowing ahead of time, and even this is not necessary with google maps.

Re: Google, Meta and Microsoft to stop showing political ads in the EU

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Post by jama211 »

refulgentis wrote: post #184
TheTaytay wrote: post #181

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You are right that there is a difference. I don’t believe we agree on how different they are. I consider political speech to be an extremely common, almost impossible-to-define type of speech. So hard to define that it becomes dangerous to try to eliminate it in certain circumstances. Journalists often work on behalf of organizations, both for-profit and non-profit. Those companies have the freedom (your mileage may…

Please tell me you’re under 25 and American. If not, note you keep telling us the slope is slippery and elaborating at excruciating length exactly what slipperiness could occur on said slope. The reason why I guess you’re young and American is because you’re approaching this as some greenfield new development. It’s not, countries do it all the time for years and years and years and years. The exceptional state is “an…

Well said

Re: Google, Meta and Microsoft to stop showing political ads in the EU

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Post by theshrike79 »

h1fra wrote: post #112

Good, political advertising is pay to win and should be banned across the world

The problem here is that now the ones who can't advertise are the people actually running as well as the parties.

"Influencers" CAN advocate for anyone and their ads will show just fine.

So now the one with the most powerful and popular influencers will win. Hint: it's not the left wing people who have far-reaching popular podcasters and tiktokers in the EU...

Re: Google, Meta and Microsoft to stop showing political ads in the EU

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Post by theshrike79 »

paxys wrote: post #94
seydor wrote: post #38

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and how does a sole candidate for mayor begin this 'grassroots campaign'. If you seriously start knocking on people's doors, you re most likely to end up dead or in prison in this day and age

If you are too scared to step out of your house and meet your neighbors because you think your city is a warzone then you are not the kind who should be running for office anyways.

I'm not scared, I'm Finnish.

I've lived in an apartment for a decade and I didn't know a single one of my neighbours. We all liked it that way.

Re: Google, Meta and Microsoft to stop showing political ads in the EU

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Post by next_xibalba »

thrance wrote: post #145
lostlogin wrote: post #135

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I looked this up as I doubted it. If it was about money, Trump wouldn’t have had a chance. https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2024/11/04/trump-v...

These are only about direct donations. Most money in politics nowadays is this so-called "dark money". Most billionaires I can think of supported Trump: Musk, Zuckerberg, Bezos, Thiel, Ellison... Lobbies generally favor the Right because they are more easily corrupted (Trump 2x his personal fortune in less than a year of presidency). Right-wing influencers got massive grants from think tanks, Russia and other conserv…

From what I can find for the 2024 presidential election:

Trump/Republicans spent a total of $2.13 billion vs. $3.37 billion by Harris/Dems. This is inclusive of "dark money".

[1] https://www.opensecrets.org/2024-presidential-race/donald-tr...

[2] https://www.opensecrets.org/2024-presidential-race/donald-tr...

[3] https://www.campaignnow.com/blog/dems-outspent-gop-2-to-1

[4] https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/dark...

[5] https://www.pbs.org/newshour/live-update/election-news-2024/...

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