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Regarding the Compact

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Re: Regarding the Compact

#191

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I like that your ideological counterparts have made the exact same statements about every administration ever. Your post does not carry weight just because it is heavy. When all you have is claims of fascism, everything is a nail. Despite yours or my agreement on the topic of the day, this admin has pushed more power back to states than any in your lifetime. Those sneaky fascists, always giving up power…

It's not wrong just because the same is said by others about others. The current administration is currently invading multiple states using the US military. That's kind of the opposite of giving power back to states.

Oh wow. An ideologue in with “my side good and just and their side is evil”… shocker.

You’re being played.

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post #155

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Don't think Obama or Biden threatened to withhold federal funds. Big difference.

That's precisely what the letters said: that federal funding was contingent on following the policy outlined in the letter. Here is one of the letters: https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/sites/default/files/dea...

The linked letter reminds schools of their requirements to comply with civil rights statutes that have been on the books in the US for many years. The trump admin, otoh, is on a witch-hunt to “protect” conservative views based on their own feelings and concerns. Not the same.

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Your link does not back up your claim that heckling is illegal. In none of the cases mentioned in that article is heckling found to be illegal.

Here is a better article that I intended to post, plus a couple more for some nuance on 1a protected speech vs. regulated speech https://nefac.org/is-heckling-a-speaker-a-crime/ https://www.aclumich.org/en/cases/hecklers-veto https://stanfordmag.org/contents/the-first-amendment-does-no... .

None of these establish heckling as illegal. The first two are about the police not being able to arrest the target of the heckling for incitement (which, yeah, clear 1st amendment violation), the last is about Stanford imposing limits, which is entirely different from the government doing so.

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#194

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It's not wrong just because the same is said by others about others. The current administration is currently invading multiple states using the US military. That's kind of the opposite of giving power back to states.

Oh wow. An ideologue in with “my side good and just and their side is evil”… shocker. You’re being played.

How so? Am I mistaken about the military being deployed like this? Or am I correct but it’s not so bad? Or it is bad but nothing new? Help me out here.

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Regardless of what is in the compact, it's important that our educational institutions have independence to run themselves as they see fit. To make funding conditional to a set of demands by the government takes away that independence.

That is obviously the case that federal money comes with strings and strings curtail independence. What you seem to imply that there should be no strings. Which is a position you can have but it has never been the case. To wit, one of the things this compact wants is an enforcement of civil rights act and Biden admin did the same thing: > The most important stipulation during the Biden administration attached to fede…

I didn't say there should be no strings. I believe institutions should follow laws, and if they or society find those laws to be unjust, we have recourse through our democratic institutions.

The Civil Rights Act was legislation put into place by Congress, signed by LBJ, and upheld by the Supreme Court. This compact was a letter sent by the White House telling universities to fall in line with their demands or be refused funding. I find those to be two completely different things.

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For example, let's take cocaine rats, which is a real research paid by my tax dollars. Is it some kind of big government vision that created this? Can you locate a Call for Proposal that spawned this? How does it benefit me as a citizen and a taxpayer?

You can’t see any way that an improved understanding of happiness and/or drug use could help people? You don’t see any way that the government, on behalf of the People, would want to understand wellbeing and/or drug abuse better? It’s not about the fucking rats. You KNOW this. Everyone knows this. The ‘cocaine rats durrrr’ type argument is not in good faith. I simply don’t believe people are that dumb.

>I simply don’t believe people are that dumb.

Sometimes a spades a spade, some people are just fucking stupid, magas for example.

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How do you propose preventing situations such as these? “The couple said they were in the women's lobby bathroom when a male security guard came in and started banging on the stall doors. Baker said she was in one of the stalls while Victor waited for her near the sinks… Baker was born a woman and identifies as a woman.” [1] “Gerika Mudra, 18, went to dinner in April with a friend in Owatonna, about an hour south of…

Those already very rare instances will become even rarer when males stop insisting they have a right to access women's spaces based on supposedly womenly thoughts in their minds. Thankfully, this fad is on the way out, and with it, the overvigilance that has led to unfortunate misunderstandings like you mention in your comment - none of which are justification for males to impose themselves on female spaces.

Your comment still offers no solutions as to how these rules will actually be enforced. For example, do you consider the ordinance in Odessa, TX, to be sufficient? Is offering a minimum bounty of ten-thousand dollars to report on alleged men in the wrong restrooms going to incentivize a reduction in vigilance, or does it encourage yet more of it?

The driving force behind these “unfortunate misunderstandings” is not a worthy justification for increased scrutiny and violence done towards women, either. Can you help me understand what damage is done even if a fully masculine manly man strolls into a woman’s restroom without paying attention, relieves himself in a toilet, (hopefully) washes his hands, and then leaves? And is this violation of the sanctity of a female space more or less violent than a woman being harassed or beaten for using it?

[1] https://www.odessa-tx.gov/AgendaCenter/ViewFile/Agenda/_1022...

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> In a way, the overreach in the compact made this an obvious (though not easy) decision. If you have morals but lack the conviction to stand by them, do you really have morals?

Unsure what you mean. Obviously MIT is standing on their conviction. That doesn't make it an easy thing to do!

It's a little easier when you have ~$25 Billion in endowments and unknown other areas of to tap into when money is needed.

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That feels oversimplified. A lot of people would think people that oppose Nazis are the ones with the ideological problems. Who defines what a problem is in our society? The majority or some skewing of it. This is the problem that politics is supposed to solve, and then the problem that the electoral college was supposed to safeguard against. How do we avoid the tyranny of a demented majority? Aligning to a specific…

> A lot of people would think people that oppose Nazis are the ones with the ideological problems. Who defines what a problem is in our society? The majority or some skewing of it. This view presupposes there are not moral facts.

Where are the list of universal moral facts? Let's just exclude the easy ones for now (Murder/Rape/Steal).

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Yes, the Biden Administration's promulgation of a Title IX interpretation that, among other things, would have compelled certain kinds of speech: https://speechfirst.org/case/title-ix/ One example of many: it would have been a punishable offense to refuse to use someone's preferred pronouns.

Are you injured if you can't misgender someone?

So some speech is freer than others? Is there any case where you are required to use a form of speech otherwise be punished?
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