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Re: Leaked Apple M5 9 core Geekbench scores

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Post by latexr »

CharlesW wrote: post #157
latexr wrote: post #149

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> That was 7 years ago, pre-Apple Silicon. There have been rumours of Apple wanting to shift Macs to ARM chips for 14 years. When they made that announcement, they already knew. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_transition_to_Apple_silico... It was obvious it was going to happen. I remember seeing Apple announcing iPads doing tasks my Mac at the time could only dream of and thinking they would surely do the switch. >…

> When they made that announcement, they already knew. Yep, the ongoing convergence made that pretty clear. The emphatic "No" was to reassure 2018's macOS developers that they wouldn't need to rewrite their apps as xOS apps anytime soon, which was (and is) true 7 years later. This is the same session where Craig said, "There are millions of iOS apps out there. We think some of them would look great on the Mac." and a…

> but it's also completely overblown.

Speak for yourself. I for one despise the current direction of the Mac and the complete disregard for the (once good) Human Interface Guidelines. It’s everywhere on macOS now.

Simple example: The fugly switches which replaced checkboxes. Not only to they look wrong on the Mac, they’re less functional. With checkboxes you can click their text to toggle them; not so with the switches.

I’m not even going to touch on the Liquid Glass bugs, or I’d be writing a comment the length of the Iliad.

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Post by colinprince »

criddell wrote: post #132
nchmy wrote: post #127

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I'm also curious about this. And, even moreso - did apple just start designing chips from scratch or did they buy someone who already had some cutting edge technology? Its hard to believe that they're beating everyone just out of nowhere...

Right after the launch of the original iPhone, Apple bought P.A. Semi for $27 billion to work on chips for future iPhones.

actually, $278 million https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P.A._Semi

Re: Leaked Apple M5 9 core Geekbench scores

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Post by GeekyBear »

wmf wrote: post #169
aurareturn wrote: post #134

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SME is just the AMX coprocessor that’s been in Apple chips since 2019. SME made it easier to target the AMX. But it’s been in use and available to developers since 2019.

The point stands that virtually no apps used AMX (either directly or through a framework).

> The point stands that virtually no apps used AMX (either directly or through a framework).

AMX has been present in every M series chip and the A series chips starting with the A13. If you are comparing M series chip scores in Geekbench 6 they are all using it, not just the latest ones.

Any app using Apple's Accelerate framework will take advantage of it.

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Post by [deleted] »

kstrauser wrote: post #167
ajross wrote: post #67

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I won't buy or recommend one just on principle. I've spent way too much of my life advocating for open firmware and user-customizable systems to throw it all in the trash for a few hours of battery. I absolutely tell everyone they're the best, and why, but my daily driver has been a Linux box of some form (OK fine I have a windows rig for gaming too) for decades, and that's not changing. Also, again, most folks just…

>> Compiles code twice as fast as my new Windows desktop >That's because MS's filesystem layer has been garbage since NT was launched decades ago [...] I confess that this kind of excuse drives me batty. End users don't buy CPUs and buy filesystems. They buy entire systems. "Well, it's not really that much faster, it's just that part of the system is junk. The rest is comparable!" That may be, but the end result for…

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Post by bigyabai »

Fwirt wrote: post #79
AlphaAndOmega0 wrote: post #16

I own an M4 iPad Pro and can't figure out what to do with even a fraction of the horsepower, given iPadOS's limitations. The rumors about an upcoming touchscreen Mac are interesting, perhaps Apple will deign to make their ridiculously overpowered SOCs usable for general purpose computing. A man can dream..

There are a number of interesting creative apps for iPad that can make full use of its capabilities. A good example is Nomad Sculpt. There's also CAD software, many DAWs. I haven't tested Numbers yet but I would assume its fairly well optimized. This really reminds me of the 80/20 articles that made the frontpage yesterday. Just because a lot of HN users lament the fact that their 20% needs (can't run an LLM or compi…

> There's also CAD software, many DAWs.

Assertions like this are what kill the iPad. Yes, DAWs "exist" but can only load the shitty AUs that Apple supports on the App Store. Professional plugins like Spectrasonics or U-He won't run on the iPad, only the Mac. CAD software "runs" but only supports the most basic parametric modeling. You're going to get your Macbook or Wintel machine to run your engineering workloads if that's your profession. Not because the iPad can't do these things, but because Apple recognizes that they can double their sales gimping good hardware. No such limitations exist on, say, the Surface lineup. It's wholly artificial.

I'm reminded of Damon Albarn's album The Fall - which he allegedly recorded on an iPad. It's far-and-away his least professional release, and there's no indication he ever returned to iOS for another album. Much like the iPad itself, The Fall is an enshrined gimmick fighting for recognition in a bibliography of genuinely important releases. Apple engineers aren't designing the next unibody Mac chassis on an iPad. They're not mixing, mastering and color-grading their advertisements on an iPad. God help them if they're shooting any footage with the dogshit 12MP camera they put on those things. iPads do nothing particularly well, which is acceptable for moseying around the web and playing Angry Birds but literally untenable in any industry with cutting-edge, creative or competitive software demands. Ask the pros.

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Post by addaon »

thenaturalist wrote: post #160
stego-tech wrote: post #72

Damn impressive if true, but I’ll be honest, I still don’t feel the need to replace my M1 iPad Pro or my M1 Pro Macbook Pro. They’re both more than amazing for my use cases - though if Apple suddenly took gaming seriously, like extending Rosetta to act as a translation layer for Windows games a la Proton, I’d gladly throw down for an M5 Ultra when it’s released.

Local LLMs will be one of those things where you'll feel a difference. Not much else I can think of as well. M1 is still insane. Apps, OS emulation... just chuggs along.

I use my M1 Max MacBook Pro for pretty serious CFD with OpenFoam. It’s astonishing how good it is… but a newer machine would be nearly 2x faster, which matters when single runs can take 1-3 hours.

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Post by scarface_74 »

mort96 wrote: post #170
Fwirt wrote: post #79

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There are a number of interesting creative apps for iPad that can make full use of its capabilities. A good example is Nomad Sculpt. There's also CAD software, many DAWs. I haven't tested Numbers yet but I would assume its fairly well optimized. This really reminds me of the 80/20 articles that made the frontpage yesterday. Just because a lot of HN users lament the fact that their 20% needs (can't run an LLM or compi…

I would not want to use CAD software or a DAW without a proper mouse and keyboard, and maybe a 3D mouse too. An interface made for touch really isn't suitable. Even connecting a mouse to an iPad is a pretty shitty experience, since all the UI elements are too big and you have to wait around for animations to finish all the time.

How is connecting a blue tooth mouse to an iPad any different than connecting to a computer? Especially with iPad OS 26?

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Post by hahayup »

ascagnel_ wrote: post #122
stego-tech wrote: post #72

Damn impressive if true, but I’ll be honest, I still don’t feel the need to replace my M1 iPad Pro or my M1 Pro Macbook Pro. They’re both more than amazing for my use cases - though if Apple suddenly took gaming seriously, like extending Rosetta to act as a translation layer for Windows games a la Proton, I’d gladly throw down for an M5 Ultra when it’s released.

> though if Apple suddenly took gaming seriously, like extending Rosetta to act as a translation layer for Windows games a la Proton, I’d gladly throw down for an M5 Ultra when it’s released No joke, if I could run my Steam library on my phone, I'd probably buy a new phone every year (and might need to, given what the thermals and rapid charge/discharge cycles would do to battery longevity). But Apple's current strat…

I completely agree. I've worked on the Whisky project and am fairly familiar with WINE, Proton, and CrossOver. Proton uses the underlying technology of WINE, which is largely supported by CodeWeavers, who mainly create CrossOver, essentially Proton for MacOS. CodeWeavers also supported the creation of GPTK, which uses WINE as well. CrossOver, considering it's live-translating Windows x86 calls to MacOS x86 calls, and then piping that through Rosetta, works INCREDIBLY well on my M1 Pro. Elden Ring was easily out-performing there than on my Steam Deck.

As far as I can tell, the main issue for putting CrossOver on iOS is a lack of API support and an inability for iOS software to start new processes. AltStore and emulators on iOS are exciting, and with iPadOS and MacOS becoming increasingly similar, I hope to see someone give WINE on iOS a shot.

I would love to see a world where I can play my Steam library on my iPad or my iPhone, considering the wild amount of performance they can output, but the limitations of iOS make it very difficult or likely impossible.

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Post by flkiwi »

jmkni wrote: post #91
stego-tech wrote: post #72

Damn impressive if true, but I’ll be honest, I still don’t feel the need to replace my M1 iPad Pro or my M1 Pro Macbook Pro. They’re both more than amazing for my use cases - though if Apple suddenly took gaming seriously, like extending Rosetta to act as a translation layer for Windows games a la Proton, I’d gladly throw down for an M5 Ultra when it’s released.

Yeah they've reversed-cannabalised themselves

I mean, they're still doing pretty well.
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