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Re: Kagi News

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Post by pirates » Tue, Sep 30, 2025, 6:10 PM UTC

b112 wrote: post #178

arrosenberg wrote: post #155

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FYI, you can append &udm=14 to Google searches to remove AI results and a bunch of the other clutter they've added.

I did that, and started getting flagged as a bot. Had to search elsewhere(Kagi) full time, or else suffer endless "find a bike" nonsense. I think Google hates the loss of no/few ads or lame suggestions.

Google thinks the same of me and I don't even edit the URL. I can have a session working just fine one night and come back the next day, open a new tab to search for something, and get captcha'd to hell. I'm fairly sure they just mess with Firefox on purpose. I won't install Brave, Chrome, or Edge out of principle either. Safari works fine, but I don't like it.

Re: Kagi News

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Post by alexfromapex » Tue, Sep 30, 2025, 6:11 PM UTC

Don't want to sound too contrarian, but I feel like having LLMs involved with the process of disseminating news is a bit dystopian.

Re: Kagi News

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Post by benrapscallion » Tue, Sep 30, 2025, 6:11 PM UTC

Link to iOS App: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/kagi-news/id6748314243

Re: Kagi News

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Post by willguest » Tue, Sep 30, 2025, 6:12 PM UTC

paws wrote: post #160

arrosenberg wrote: post #155

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FYI, you can append &udm=14 to Google searches to remove AI results and a bunch of the other clutter they've added.

Neat trick, any other params folks might want to know about?

I found this page that describes a variety of search parameter: https://susodigital.com/thoughts/the-mystery-of-the-google-u...

then i got the machine to write a front-end that visualises them and builds a search query for you: https://pastebin.com/HNwytYr9

enjoy

Re: Kagi News

#195

Post by alltheseas » Tue, Sep 30, 2025, 6:13 PM UTC

hughes wrote: post #183

I don't understand how this is 100% free, no subscriptions, no purchase, apparently no ads or tracking and yet I'm also the "customer" and not the product. What's the catch?

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Re: Kagi News

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Post by lukeschlather » Tue, Sep 30, 2025, 6:14 PM UTC

stavros wrote: post #158

jama211 wrote: post #118

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I am fine with it using AI but it makes me feel pretty icky that they didn’t mention that this was ai/llm generated at any point in this article. That’s a no-no IMO, and has turned me off this pretty strongly.

Why do you care what technology was used to generate the summaries? What if they had used their old NLP summarizer?

They don't explicitly say they generate summaries at any point in the article. In fact I read it and though this was just some fancy RSS aggregator. The way they describe the "daily briefing" is extremely ambiguous.

Re: Kagi News

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Post by krainboltgreene » Tue, Sep 30, 2025, 6:14 PM UTC

b112 wrote: post #189

krainboltgreene wrote: post #110

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It cannot be "one step further", because there's a clear break in reality between what Google News provides and Kagi provides. Google News links to an article that exists in our world, 100%, no chance involved. Kagi uses an LLM generate text and thus is entirely up to chance.

Devil's advocate here. Do you know that's what they're doing? They are a search engine after all. They do run their own indexer, as well as cache results from other sources. If they're feeding urls to an AI, why can't they validate AI output urls are real? Maybe they do.

I don't care.

Re: Kagi News

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Post by alltheseas » Tue, Sep 30, 2025, 6:14 PM UTC

alexfromapex wrote: post #192

Don't want to sound too contrarian, but I feel like having LLMs involved with the process of disseminating news is a bit dystopian.

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Re: Kagi News

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Post by MostlyStable » Tue, Sep 30, 2025, 6:15 PM UTC

baggachipz wrote: post #137

MostlyStable wrote: post #82

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This comment[0] suggests that they have some kind of a filter [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45427513

Strange, I couldn't find anything in the settings (iOS version). So maybe there's a divergent feature set and updates are forthcoming.

I can't speak to any of the apps, but after making my original comment, I checked out the website version, and the settings there do indeed have filters for category as well as specific terms.

Re: Kagi News

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Post by thoughtpalette » Tue, Sep 30, 2025, 6:15 PM UTC

hn111 wrote: post #163

tower-shield wrote: post #116

I like Kagi and want them to succeed. But currently (according to LinkedIn) theres 26 employees. They are building search, LLM assistant wrappers, a browser and now news. Please don't overextend the same way Proton is currently doing.

I used to love Proton, but they focus too much on feature development instead of stability and fixing long-standing bugs. E.g. zooming has been broken for years in ProtonMail on iOS. Some emails won’t even render at all :(

FWIW, I have not had any issues with email rendering in the iOS app so YMMV. Have not noticed any zooming problems.