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Larry Ellison – 'citizens will be on their best behavior' amid nonstop recording

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Re: Larry Ellison – 'citizens will be on their best behavior' amid nonstop recording

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Post by billy99k »

jodrellblank wrote: post #55
billy99k wrote: post #20

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Ireland doesn't fit your claim.

You can google it yourself: "does ireland have surveillance cameras"

"Where you'll find surveillance cameras: Public Transport: Cameras are installed on Luas trams and at major train and bus stations.

Public Buildings: The Office of Public Works (OPW) uses security cameras in public buildings.

Streets and Cities: An Garda Síochána has a network of cameras, and community groups and businesses also request and install them in their towns and cities.

Private Businesses: CCTV systems are prevalent in banks, casinos, pubs, shopping centers, and large department stores.

Private Homes: Many homeowners use security cameras for protection, with potential eligibility for insurance discounts"

Have you even been to Ireland? Because it sure looks like they have camera systems everywhere.

It seems nobody wants to actually reduce crime here. You want:

- No guns - No cameras - less police

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Post by billy99k »

Anthony-G wrote: post #96
billy99k wrote: post #20

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Not true. Until a couple of decades ago, there was very little surveillance of Western European, and if citizens thought about guns at all, antipathy would have been the dominant attitude. Nevertheless, there was very little “bad behaviour” since the Second World War ended.

"Until a couple of decades ago, there was very little surveillance of Western European"

It's because the technology was too expensive.

"citizens thought about guns at all, antipathy would have been the dominant attitude."

In a world where most people have similar values, this is the case. This has changed in the last decade or so, however.

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Post by billy99k »

rsynnott wrote: post #91
billy99k wrote: post #20

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Is your contention that the only anti-gun countries are, er, the UK and Singapore? And to be honest, the UK surveillance thing is somewhat exaggerated; it's highly London-centric, and they're mostly privately-owned cameras; the main driving factor is the insurance industry. Ireland, say, has some of the strictest gun laws in the developed world, and doesn't have a large number of CCTVs or other forms of surveillance.

"And to be honest, the UK surveillance thing is somewhat exaggerated; it's highly London-centric, and they're mostly privately-owned cameras; the main driving factor is the insurance industry."

The big cities is where the most crime happens. It's not really 'exaggerated'. If you legally aren't allowed to protect yourself during a crime, it's best to have a camera in place that catches the person that's doing it (and put fear in others, so the situation is avoided).

"Ireland, say, has some of the strictest gun laws in the developed world, and doesn't have a large number of CCTVs or other forms of surveillance."

This isn't true at all.

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Post by dttze »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #133
amval wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think I understand your point, beyond downplaying the severity of current events.

I’m not downplaying the severity of anything. Just its relevance. Someone can be severe and irrelevant, and I think that’s the case here.

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Post by Palmik »

chiffre01 wrote: post #14

Why is it that every single person born between 1940 and 1965 (or making more than $1 million per year) just wants to see all freedoms erased and every natural resource exhausted for their personal comfort?

People making a meager $1 million a year aren't in the same universe as Larry.

For one, he has direct access to (and these days also likely direct influence over) some of the most important members of the legislative and executive branches of the government.

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Post by dfxm12 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #106
amval wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, yes, it would be better if he didn't amplify propaganda for the country that is committing a genocide and would raise awareness for the victims. Is this not self-evident?

The point is this comes down to a foreign policy disagreement that isn’t germane to Ellison’s comments on surveillance. (I can come with a litany of policy disagreements with anyone of Ellison’s stature, some of which I probably feel about strongly.) Read in good faith, it’s overzealous advocacy. In bad faith, which I don’t assume here, it serves to get this discussion flagged off the front page.

These things are not happening in a vacuum:

1. Ellison's comments about surveillance

2. Conservative billionaires, including Ellison, consolidating ownership of social media, print media, TV media, etc.

3. NSPM-7 & the current admin's appetite to criminalize speech

4. The current administration kowtows to Netanyahu, who relishes in conservative ownership of TikTok

The dots are all there: if you express something that doesn't following an accepted US stance, like maybe its stance on Israel, maybe on TikTok, it gives Trump the ability to easily find, label & punish you as a terrorist, maybe even at Netanyahu's request. Trump's desire to do things like this has been explicitly stated since the death of Charlie Kirk. He's always talked about his desires to throw his political enemies in jail.

Even before this, the admin has been targeting people like Mahmoud Khalil, Mario Guevara, etc. for speech.

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Post by insane_dreamer »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #40
bhouston wrote: post #28

Larry Ellison is ultra-pro Israel if you didn't know. He and others are pushing for Bari Weiss take a key role at CBS to better "defend Israel": https://nypost.com/2025/09/19/media/shari-redstone-says-bari... And many people are worried about a similar type of agenda setting at TikTok now: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/will-tiktoks-new-own... Netanyahu, for his part, believes it is super consequential for E…

That’s a study shoehorn… Would his statements be better if he were pro-Gaza or something else?

Yes, because I have less trust in people who support genocide than those who do not.

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Post by HaZeust »

cs702 wrote: post #54

For a description of the consequences of mass surveillance and repressive regimentation of individual behavior in a society, read: "Nineteen Eighty-Four" by George Orwell.[a] --- [a] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four

Easily the most explicit and pedantic citation of 1984 that I've seen - big fan
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