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> Why? Genuine curiosity, what's the angle for a market for sublime/zed alternatives? What are they lacking? In my opinion, Sublime’s biggest gap is that it’s not open-source, and there aren’t many (if any) open-source alternatives that match its feature set, performance, and unique user experience, Sublime just feels especially nice. Zed comes closest, and I think it’s fantastic, but it’s VC-backed, so their focus o…
> Sublime’s biggest gap is that it’s not open-source But yours is also not open-source
Zed's Pricing Has Changed: LLM Usage Is Now Token-Based
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Re: Zed's Pricing Has Changed: LLM Usage Is Now Token-Based
#192Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Why? Genuine curiosity, what's the angle for a market for sublime/zed alternatives? What are they lacking? In my opinion, Sublime’s biggest gap is that it’s not open-source, and there aren’t many (if any) open-source alternatives that match its feature set, performance, and unique user experience, Sublime just feels especially nice. Zed comes closest, and I think it’s fantastic, but it’s VC-backed, so their focus o…
> Sublime’s biggest gap is that it’s not open-source But yours is also not open-source
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I feel like Zed stopped working on the editor itself since AI was rolled out. I also wanted it to be the open-source alternative to Sublime, but nothing comes close.
Question out of curiosity: why does Sublime need an alternative? As far as I know it still is maintained?
Every other piece of software in my toolbox is open-source. The scenarios I've described happened to some of those tools, and I maintain my own forks. Currently, Sublime is the single point of failure on my toolbox.
I would buy a source code license if I could.
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#194Earlier quoted context omitted.
OAI/Anthropic/Big AI players today never ever need to become profitable... The same way roads never need to become profitable by themselves. This per token charge is like tolls, it has nothing to do with the costs. AI, just like cloud was before this, is being treated as "infrastructure". The reason people invest in roads is not to make money from the road itself, but rather recuper all the losses from the new extrem…
I don't even know where to start with this. Comparing private companies to roads? This makes no sense right? These companies, like roads never have to turn a profit?
You're making a huge upfront unprofitable investment into something, so that a lot of insanely profitable investments can be made 10 years in the future, that uses the result of todays investment as infrastructure.
Whether it's as important as roads, all of that is not relevant from an economic standpoint -- I'm just explaining the rationale behind the investments today.
> These companies
It's useful to mentally think of it as an implicit "team effort" among all relevant, rich companies. Openai (just an example) themselves are being "allowed" by everyone else in the "team" to not make money, because everyone knows that at the end there will be a gajillion new product companies they can all make their money back on. Openai/stargate is in that sense just a "front" for this massive infrastructure investment. Sama/Microsoft themselves will make money that way, either by building those products (just think of the ai integrations in MS enterprise in 10 years...) or by investing in others building those products. Defense folks have investments into this for the same reason.
That's why I said it's similar to roads, no one expects to make money from roads. But on those nice roads amazon will create a 1-day delivery product, charge you 10$ a month for it, and investors will make money from that [1].
[1] yes yes this specific example is bunk and historically wrong, but wanted to drive home the parallel with a small example
Re: Zed's Pricing Has Changed: LLM Usage Is Now Token-Based
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Question out of curiosity: why does Sublime need an alternative? As far as I know it still is maintained?
I love Sublime. I have been using it for years and it's just fantastic software. I have no problems paying for it. But since it is such an important part of my toolbox, not having the source code is a liability. What if they decide to drop support for my platform? What if they decide to shift gears into AI and enshittify the experience? Every other piece of software in my toolbox is open-source. The scenarios I've de…
Which ones?
Re: Zed's Pricing Has Changed: LLM Usage Is Now Token-Based
#196Earlier quoted context omitted.
I feel like Zed stopped working on the editor itself since AI was rolled out. I also wanted it to be the open-source alternative to Sublime, but nothing comes close.
A quick glance at Zed's changelog is all it takes to see that AI has been a minority of what Zed has shipped since it was rolled out over a year ago. :) https://zed.dev/releases/stable (And that's even with almost none of the work on the massive Windows project being included in the changelog!)
The blog used to be really personal and nice but now it's all AI https://zed.dev/blog
I get it, pausing some work to ship AI integration plumbing is a good strategy to keep momentum up with competition.
I think after their Series B, looking at the roadmap, and now with this pricing featured it's pretty clear what their priorities have become.
I'm not against AI, I just feel like they can do better and their original mission is still a better long-term angle.
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#197Earlier quoted context omitted.
I feel like Zed stopped working on the editor itself since AI was rolled out. I also wanted it to be the open-source alternative to Sublime, but nothing comes close.
Question out of curiosity: why does Sublime need an alternative? As far as I know it still is maintained?
Re: Zed's Pricing Has Changed: LLM Usage Is Now Token-Based
#198Earlier quoted context omitted.
A quick glance at Zed's changelog is all it takes to see that AI has been a minority of what Zed has shipped since it was rolled out over a year ago. :) https://zed.dev/releases/stable (And that's even with almost none of the work on the massive Windows project being included in the changelog!)
The roadmap on the other hand seems to have 4 things tagged AI on it. https://zed.dev/roadmap The blog used to be really personal and nice but now it's all AI https://zed.dev/blog I get it, pausing some work to ship AI integration plumbing is a good strategy to keep momentum up with competition. I think after their Series B, looking at the roadmap, and now with this pricing featured it's pretty clear what their prior…
By every metric - lines of code shipped, hours per week spent on it, number of people assigned to it, etc. - AI is a minority part of what Zed does. It's a priority, but it's not the priority.
I know there's a disproportionate amount of blogging about AI, but that's a decision about what prose gets written, not what code gets written!
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#199Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Why? Genuine curiosity, what's the angle for a market for sublime/zed alternatives? What are they lacking? In my opinion, Sublime’s biggest gap is that it’s not open-source, and there aren’t many (if any) open-source alternatives that match its feature set, performance, and unique user experience, Sublime just feels especially nice. Zed comes closest, and I think it’s fantastic, but it’s VC-backed, so their focus o…
> Sublime’s biggest gap is that it’s not open-source But yours is also not open-source
Here's the explanation: https://github.com/SpartanJ/ecode/?tab=readme-ov-file#source...
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The whole business model even for OAI/Anthropic is unsustainable.. they are already running it at a huge loss atm, and will do for the foreseeable future. The economics simply doesn't work, unfortunately or not
OAI/Anthropic/Big AI players today never ever need to become profitable... The same way roads never need to become profitable by themselves. This per token charge is like tolls, it has nothing to do with the costs. AI, just like cloud was before this, is being treated as "infrastructure". The reason people invest in roads is not to make money from the road itself, but rather recuper all the losses from the new extrem…