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Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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But i.e. 3x Belgium GDP. Anyway, how's GDP is even relevant here?

I am saying it is ridiculous to say that Russia can pay trillions of dollars in bribes.

They willingly settled for $1B with the FCC over Uzbekistan. Over Uzbekistan. It has to be insignificant money for them, otherwise... they would have simply not paid.

https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-s-mts-to-pay-850-million-to-s...

Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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While it's easy to start believing this is the only motive, the truth of the matter is that a lot of stupid people do crime. So even if you only catch the stupid criminals, you still catch a bunch of criminals. And I mean _stupid_. You wouldn't believe how intensely stupid some of those people are, but read some court records and you will come away deeply surprised we are making it as a species. But yes, there is no…

> While it's easy to start believing this is the only motive No one said that. Files leaked by Snowden describe NSA's activities as durable, even against legal attack, thanks to layers upon layers of digital, procedural, legal, and other forms of defense in depth. Among them, plausible deniability and dual use technologies. You have pointed toward both. So their tactics worked on you. > But yes, there is no doubt tha…

> No one said that

that is not true. User lordnacho clearly expressed he thinks Chat Control will be ineffective, and from that one can easily take that ineffective initiatives should not be supported except in cases of wanting to abuse the infrastructure. It's a trope common enough that it comes implied and does not have to be spelled out.

Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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> While it's easy to start believing this is the only motive No one said that. Files leaked by Snowden describe NSA's activities as durable, even against legal attack, thanks to layers upon layers of digital, procedural, legal, and other forms of defense in depth. Among them, plausible deniability and dual use technologies. You have pointed toward both. So their tactics worked on you. > But yes, there is no doubt tha…

> No one said that that is not true. User lordnacho clearly expressed he thinks Chat Control will be ineffective, and from that one can easily take that ineffective initiatives should not be supported except in cases of wanting to abuse the infrastructure. It's a trope common enough that it comes implied and does not have to be spelled out.

> User lordnacho clearly expressed he thinks Chat Control will be ineffective

Feel free to respond to lordnacho directly. I don't accept communication for them. Nor can I speak for them. The only way to address the issue you have with what you feel they've implied is to talk to them about it.

> and from that one can easily take that ineffective initiatives should not be supported except in cases of wanting to abuse the infrastructure.

Your assumption.

I find the fact that mass surveillance is largely ineffective at improving safety to be incidental and ironic. It is highly effective at removing safety and liberty. That's the salient point.

Much like torture, mass surveillance corrupts those who practice it, which has led principled people to oppose it on grounds including human rights and an awareness of atrocities committed with the aid of surveillance in the past. As Benjamin Franklin said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." Do you deserve liberty and safety?

> It's a trope common enough that it comes implied and does not have to be spelled out.

You'd do well to respond to what's been said, and not to what you think has been implied. Responding to perceived implication didn't serve you here.

https://www.etsy.com/market/don%27t_hear_what_i_didn%27t_say...

Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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What evidence do you have that he "killed in the name of his leftism?" As far as I know, there is no evidence of a specific "leftist" motive and no connection has been found to "leftist" organizations. Bear in mind that many Christians were opposed to Charlie Kirk's politics, and right-wingers didn't feel he went far enough. So that alone isn't evidence of "killing in the name of his leftism." The memes aren't hard e…

Yes, you're cherry-picking, hand-waving, and a week behind in the publicly known evidence. I'd entertain steelman arguments for these theories using all available evidence but I've yet to see anyone do it. At any rate, were a long way from "full stop" and you seem to be lashing out in the dark so I'm content to leave it here.

So no evidence then? Ok.

Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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Yes, you're cherry-picking, hand-waving, and a week behind in the publicly known evidence. I'd entertain steelman arguments for these theories using all available evidence but I've yet to see anyone do it. At any rate, were a long way from "full stop" and you seem to be lashing out in the dark so I'm content to leave it here.

So no evidence then? Ok.

No you're just willfully ignorant.

Hey look! More memes!

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/three-injured-shooting-ice-...

Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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So no evidence then? Ok.

No you're just willfully ignorant. Hey look! More memes! https://www.reuters.com/world/us/three-injured-shooting-ice-...

This article appears to be about another person, I was asking about the person who shot Charlie Kirk. I know you only see an undifferentiated mass of "radical violent leftists" in your head but people actually are individuals and can have individual motives even when performing similar actions. Kirk's shooter did actually use memes, 'ANTI-ICE' as far as I know isn't a meme.

Also I thought you were leaving the thread. Here, let me show you how to actually do that.

Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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No you're just willfully ignorant. Hey look! More memes! https://www.reuters.com/world/us/three-injured-shooting-ice-...

This article appears to be about another person, I was asking about the person who shot Charlie Kirk. I know you only see an undifferentiated mass of "radical violent leftists" in your head but people actually are individuals and can have individual motives even when performing similar actions. Kirk's shooter did actually use memes, 'ANTI-ICE' as far as I know isn't a meme. Also I thought you were leaving the thread.…

But you've willfully ignored the evidence which shows they have somewhat similar motives. Glad you can at least admit the truth about this one.

See ya! Don't go posting any memes now!

Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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As a European, I don't mind this getting passed anymore. I'll just go around it like I do for many other laws. Enforcing laws in the EU is a total joke, even if this passes, no one will care. Signal will probably add an option to circumvent this like they have for other laws in countries that block signal itself. So, Europe, if you really want this, go ahead and spy on the majority of the people, I'll just keep using…

Signal will stop sending confirmation SMSes to european phone numbers, unfortunately.

Source?

Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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Source?

https://mastodon.world/@Mer__edith/112535616774247450

Sorry, I can't really find out where it says they'll stop sending confirmation SMSes in that post, in the blog post linked in that post and in that post's comments.
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